Once you start giving out the Carbontwines

[Utsu]

I really hate the upgrade system, I liked it more when tome and coil gear was the same level so I didn't have to worry about my mind and could just wear whatever I liked best. But since we have this now... I support this. I still use WoD gear (and have used ST gear before) but as a healer especially, secondary are so minor that you'll always want the 130 gear over the 120, unless as a sch you really need to stack crit. It's a shame. There are some good drops but in the back of my mind I'm always thinking "is it really worth wearing this for the secondary stats when I could have more mind and some 20 points in a stats I don't like?" and the answer is usually no.


Some people need 130 to clear content because they can't do it in 120, just like some need Echo. So what? Why do you even care what people use their gear on? It's none of your business.

As you said, Echo buff exists, can't they wait for it to be up on FCoB ? i120 gear is enough to clean FCoB, it's enough to try to beat it aswell.

And you missed something : a lot of ppl want i130 gear and won't go to the FCoB.

The problem is that a majority of ppl think that raiders are elitists, but they're wrong. We don't look at them like "Hahaha look at these baddies, i120 xoxo", I just don't understand why they need endgame gear without any useful way to use it. As raiders, we don't need endgame gear to /afk Mor Dhona and show how strong we are, we just want the endgame gear to do "hardcore" PvE things as I said on my other post, and to optimize our jobs and rosters as high as it's possible.

Anyway, peace.

[Moqi]

I just don't understand why they need endgame gear without any useful way to use it

So what? I have no idea either but it does not affect me in any way so who cares. Why would I be against it? What they do with it it's their business. Everyone has its own way of having fun, if they like to do Wanderer's Place HM in 130 let them.

The problem is that a majority of ppl think that raiders are elitists, but they're wrong.

When you think people shouldn't get gear to a certain ilvl because they don't raid, you are.

[Gardes]

When you think people shouldn't get gear to a certain ilvl because they don't raid, you are.

I find it highly amusing when people talk about bis this and that and maximizing secondary stat when they don't do coil though.

That's like ricing up your car with nitro and stuff to take your niece to school.

[ScarletDawn]

I find it highly amusing when people talk about bis this and that and maximizing secondary stat when they don't do coil though.

That's like ricing up your car with nitro and stuff to take your niece to school.

Again why does having to do coil seem like the only way ur aloud to max out your char? People back in (other mmo with pandas) would try max stats without raiding because idk they liked to obtain gear and max out their char.

[Gardes]

Again why does having to do coil seem like the only way ur aloud to max out your char? People back in (other mmo with pandas) would try max stats without raiding because idk they liked to obtain gear and max out their char.

Why are you so offended? I only said I find it amusing, not that people shouldn't do what they do. You're attacking my freedom of thought here.

Are you some kind of thought elitist?

[ScarletDawn]

Why are you so offended? I only said I find it amusing, not that people shouldn't do what they do. You're attacking my freedom of thought here.

Are you some kind of thought elitist?

No im the thought police.


And im not offended i couldnt careless, i just think people shouldn't get up in arms because casual non raid players get to use the same items as hardcore raiders.

[Priya]

Again why does having to do coil seem like the only way ur aloud to max out your char? People back in (other mmo with pandas) would try max stats without raiding because idk they liked to obtain gear and max out their char.

Uhh... SE gives people more high ilvl gear than Blizzard. In WoW, if you want the highest ilvl, you better be clearing mythic raids. People were min/maxing with what they had available.

[Altena]

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So why do you think that "raiders" should only be able to obtain said gear in FCoB? What's stopping raiders from doing WoD for gear?
Generally nothing - as I am a raider and still do WoD for gear. (Some pieces are even technically better then the i130 equivalent due to sub stats).
If your argument is that players that don't do FCoB don't "need" i130, then what is your argument for raiders to have alternative options for certain slots to better min/max their sub stats?

I think gating the strongest weapons in the game behind the final turn in the highest raid is enough to give raiders the "status". They don't need every other slot to be superior to other content.

After all - poetics gear is equivalent (and more favourable in certain slots) than Dreadwyrm gear, and you don't need to take a step into T10 to get the i130 versions this late in the patch.

Making WoD gear comparable only widens the scope for potential BiS, not just for "casual" players, but for raiders too.

I want to remind you that this game is not a competition (aside from the very small minority that push for world firsts). If you are playing for bragging rights outside of that league, then a full Dreadwyrm set isn't going to assist you on that goal.

[Elazu]

So why do you think that "raiders" should only be able to obtain said gear in FCoB? What's stopping raiders from doing WoD for gear?

What's stopping non-raiders from doing coil for gear?

[Altena]

What's stopping non-raiders from doing coil for gear?

I won't even mention how you completely ignored my actual point. (Well I guess I just did.)

I am sure there are quite a number of reasons. However how is more gear diversity a bad thing? Why limit the highest iLvl to 2 set substats? If "hardcore" players were really hardcore - they would be pushing for optimizing their sub stats, which would include clearing and gathering gear from all sources.

In addition to this, coil drops are based on a luck system. You could be a world first group and never see a specific BiS Dread piece drop.
Luck doesn't equate to being "hardcore". Luck equates to being lucky (or unlucky respectively).

This late in the patch, it honestly doesn't even matter. Non-raiders must be getting close to full i130 by now (minus the weapon) due to poetics + twine from hunts. Adding an extra alternative to BiS is advantageous to both groups.