Once you start giving out the Carbontwines

[NorthernLadMSP]

Honestly, Utsu, you are not doing yourself any favors at all in dispelling a stigma about raiders being elitists. In fact, you're simply making yourself look more elitist with each post you write.

Working on FCOB now, I can still safely say that people like you that hint (or flat out state) that people that don't do FCOB shouldn't get access to any way to improve their character really get on my nerves. In addition, I think your whole i130 gear is "more than just stats, it's so much more" is total BS. It's stats and e-peen and nothing more.

[Elazu]

Honestly, Utsu, you are not doing yourself any favors at all in dispelling a stigma about raiders being elitists. In fact, you're simply making yourself look more elitist with each post you write.

That will never be dispelled and I don't think anyone cares to do so, since non-raiders will call you an elitist simply for being a raider.

While I think that non-raiders should be able to upgrade their gear, I also think that non-raid gear should either be 5-10 ilvls below raid gear and only be upgradable to the same ilvl with a raid drop OR the upgrade material can be obtainable from elsewhere BUT the upgrade item should not be obtainable in higher quantities than raiders have access to, especially not from completely braindead content, like it is now...

[NorthernLadMSP]

While I think that non-raiders should be able to upgrade their gear, I also think that non-raid gear should either be 5-10 ilvls below raid gear and only be upgradable to the same ilvl with a raid drop OR the upgrade material can be obtainable from elsewhere BUT the upgrade item should not be obtainable in higher quantities than raiders have access to, especially not from completely braindead content, like it is now...

I totally agree. What's sad is that there are basically two options. Mindless, skilless hunts or very hard content that absolutely requires you to have a consistent, collaborative group of 7 other people you trust. There is no in-between. I can honestly say that, over the last few months of being in a group and seeing how many flakes/no-shows/rage quitters there are out there, finding that good static is probably the hardest part about FCOB, maybe even harder than the content itself.

[Ashkendor]

I totally agree. What's sad is that there are basically two options. Mindless, skilless hunts or very hard content that absolutely requires you to have a consistent, collaborative group of 7 other people you trust. There is no in-between. I can honestly say that, over the last few months of being in a group and seeing how many flakes/no-shows/rage quitters there are out there, finding that good static is probably the hardest part about FCOB, maybe even harder than the content itself.

Lol, right? The first boss of Coil is herding the same 8 people into the same instance at the same time every week.

[Dwill]

Because ilvl dictates BiS now? NO, the stats dictate what is BiS and WoD, ironworks and Dread all have their own stats meaning anyone of them will be BiS imo Dread still has the best stats out of all 3 sets.

Except that you know, primary stats are valued to a much higher degree than secondary stats which means iLvL has a much higher impact on BiS than have 10 Determination instead instead of 10 Spell Speed.

Honestly, Utsu, you are not doing yourself any favors at all in dispelling a stigma about raiders being elitists. In fact, you're simply making yourself look more elitist with each post you write.

Working on FCOB now, I can still safely say that people like you that hint (or flat out state) that people that don't do FCOB shouldn't get access to any way to improve their character really get on my nerves. In addition, I think your whole i130 gear is "more than just stats, it's so much more" is total BS. It's stats and e-peen and nothing more.

Everyone has access to Final Coil, nothing bar your own reasons prevent you from doing it. You want access to some of the best gear, you do the some of the hardest content in the game.

[NorthernLadMSP]

Everyone has access to Final Coil, nothing bar your own reasons prevent you from doing it. You want access to some of the best gear, you do the some of the hardest content in the game.

Yawn. Generic, heard it 5,000 times in other threads, comment of the day. In addition, please learn to read, as I stated right in the comment you quoted that I am already working on FCOB. Thanks.

[Dwill]

Yawn. Generic, heard it 5,000 times in other threads, comment of the day. In addition, please learn to read, as I stated right in the comment you quoted that I am already working on FCOB. Thanks.

Quite the irony considering than when I mentioned everyone, it wasn't in reference to you but to that particular bolded part:

Honestly, Utsu, you are not doing yourself any favors at all in dispelling a stigma about raiders being elitists. In fact, you're simply making yourself look more elitist with each post you write.

Working on FCOB now, I can still safely say that people like you that hint (or flat out state) that people that don't do FCOB shouldn't get access to any way to improve their character really get on my nerves. In addition, I think your whole i130 gear is "more than just stats, it's so much more" is total BS. It's stats and e-peen and nothing more.

But hey, if you keep hearing it 5,000 more times, maybe you should take the hint about who truly needs to take a second to comprehend the post.

I always find it funny how non-raiders want the gear faster, but completely forget that raiders will use that avenue for gearing as well therefore breaking end game balance super fast. It's all about them though and screw the side effects on the rest of the game!

Agreed but at this point, I'm not even surprised anymore. The amount of people who agrees to these kind of ideas seems to willingly forego any semblance of global balance within the game because "I pay the same amount, raiders are elitist, insert other generic anti-raider statement".

[Snugglebutt]

Agreed but at this point, I'm not even surprised anymore. The amount of people who agrees to these kind of ideas seems to willingly forego any semblance of global balance within the game because "I pay the same amount, raiders are elitist, insert other generic anti-raider statement".

Feel free to go into a comprehensive description of how WoD ilvl120 upgrade to ilvl130 would ruin the game or imbalance it. Every person does what they do in this game because they find it fun in one way or another, people would not stop doing coils because WoD offered a way to upgrade from ilvl120 to ilvl130 alongside the option of obtaining also another ilvl130 set from coils.

The only possible impact is people doing coil would only be doing it because they find it fun which is why they should do it in the first place. If it is not fun and people are not doing it for fun then the game is already broken and that would need t be fixed. The answer would not be to blackmail people into doing something they hate because of such restrictions, the answer is making something fun so that they want to do even without the loot restriction.

The phrase which pops to mind is spice is the variety of life, giving people more variety in ilvl130 sets and how to obtain them I consider a good thing. Getting a ilvl130 set from the top tier 24-man raid content and also another set from the 8-man raid content I think would not harm you 8-man coilers but would in fact benefit you all not just in more people geared up to try the coils but also in variety and gear composition you can use. No one has given me reason to believe otherwise.