CAN WE PLEASE GET SOME BUTT SLIDERS FOR THE FEMALES

[KaedrianLiang]

Haha, I wish. Basically, SE wanted to make things easy for themselves, so they removed buttocks from all character models so armor would fit them all the same.

Thats why glamour got the approval. They knew if players were extremely unsatisfied with how the one size fits all non-lalafell design they've been coming up with for Tank armors, they could just glamour it.

Less work for the devs in the long run.

They made absolutely no effort to make a female version of the Noct set. Im sure players can think of more examples. When there are differences in male and female designs its for all the wrong reasons or unnecessary. *Cough drg and nin af *cough*

[TheRogueX]

They made absolutely no effort to make a female version of the Noct set.

lol, that set on females looks HI-LARIOUS. I mean, sheesh, a Midlander or Miqo'te would have to have a lala strapped to their chest in order for it to stay on.

[Xhominid]

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1. 1.0 Gear is still tailor made for the bodies of the past.

2. That would still be easy for a team of workers specifically on that task. Stop acting like Squenix cannot afford to do that when they have a team specifically for the expansion.

If a modder can do all of that, why can't a team do it?

When there are differences in male and female designs its for all the wrong reasons or unnecessary. *Cough drg and nin af *cough*

And that's a problem why?
Noct Lorica is horrible for plenty of reasons on females and lots of people complain about female DRG for stupid reasons(love the practicality reasoning in a game where we virtually fight gods) and what is wrong with Female Nin now? The fact she's based on the Kunoichi look?

[Lori]

20 pages, SE. Something that has been wanted very much

I need this, SE.

Not having an ass is disgraceful

[TheRogueX]

2. That would still be easy for a team of workers specifically on that task. Stop acting like Squenix cannot afford to do that when they have a team specifically for the expansion.

If a modder can do all of that, why can't a team do it?

Any team that would be put on this task would be taken off of another task, thus slowing down patch/expansion development. You seem to be under the impression that SE can just build a new team out of nothing and put them on this. You then compare it to 'a modder,' who is one person that can dedicate time to a very specific task with no quality control or cross-platform testing... it is beyond obvious that you have no idea how these projects work.

[Xhominid]

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Again no it wouldn't, especially for a team like Squenix. They can easily hire a freelance team or simply grab another team they already have specifically for certain tasks. Hell, you just stated it yourself there is ALREADY a team for patches AND expansions, do you think they also design the armors that we get now? Or the new characters? Or the designers of the expansion or the expansion after that?

And again, how is something like a simple model change is impossible for PS3? You haven't actually explained it at all and just said it is, which only shows you have no idea how the process actually works.

For a single player game? Yeah, why not.
But for an MMO...well, just ask how many hoops modders have to go through every time a new patch or expansion is released to make it compatible.
Now imagine having to accommodate for every theoretical new piece of armor to make it into the testing phase (which actually outstrips the number of items that actually make it into the game, because they're found to be too problematic in testing), and make sure it looks right in every single setting at all times.

Um okay, there are actually PLENTY of modders in the MMO market for plenty of games, including 1.0 of this very game. I never said the process was easy but you are explaining it like the people who you are saying it for don't already have the tools at their disposal to make this change. This is also forgetting that I already know it won't be fixed in a single night which you also seem to forget.

Now you have to do this for every armor model. At every setting. Before every patch.
That's not that hard...because if it was, we would have stick figures instead of actual characters right now.
You are making the process of making new armors far more ridiculously harder than it how simple it really is.

Remember what I said about items falling to the cutting room floor? Well, a lot of times it's because of time and resource constraints. If you add a slider with, say, 10 more options (let's be real, here: if they DID add a "butt slider" it'd be a selection of different butts, not an inflate-o-slider.) then that means you have to test each new armor model a minimum of 10 more times per test, with each "test" consisting of the different combinations of height, bust size, hairstyle, etc.
You think they do that with what they currently have now? Last time I checked, my Main's hairdo right now STILL clips through her Soldiery Top and that's not even back length, that's shoulder length hair. They honestly don't care about clipping issues so that's one down. Then you say they have to work around 10 different models but according to the Breast Slider we have now, they already just make it bigger or smaller depending on the cloth and only an absolute FEW actually have variable changes depending on that so that's another down.
And again, look at the above, it's not that hard nor complicated to work for all of these features, especially if it's more than one single person. You are acting as if this is the equivalent of making 2-3 new dungeons when in actuality, it's the equivalent of simply changing skills for certain classes.

If you think the armor models we've been getting lately have been "limited"...imagine how drab they'd get when you're exponentially multiplying the amount of work required.

You can't be serious...because this sentence for simply adding backsides when most of the armor for 2.0 is virtually the same crap as the last gear but with more bells and whistles and it would be THAT which would make it even more limited than it already is!? No, I refuse to believe this is serious.

If they ARE going to add it, then, it would have to be as part of a large-scale update with many things happening at once so it "fits" better. In other words, a situation where they're adding another aspect to character creation.

No, they can add it with any other update like they do with the new hair schemes. Stop acting like it's that damn difficult.

[kyuven]

If a modder can do all of that, why can't a team do it?

For a single player game? Yeah, why not.
But for an MMO...well, just ask how many hoops modders have to go through every time a new patch or expansion is released to make it compatible.
Now imagine having to accommodate for every theoretical new piece of armor to make it into the testing phase (which actually outstrips the number of items that actually make it into the game, because they're found to be too problematic in testing), and make sure it looks right in every single setting at all times.
Now you have to do this for every armor model. At every setting. Before every patch.
Remember what I said about items falling to the cutting room floor? Well, a lot of times it's because of time and resource constraints. If you add a slider with, say, 10 more options (let's be real, here: if they DID add a "butt slider" it'd be a selection of different butts, not an inflate-o-slider.) then that means you have to test each new armor model a minimum of 10 more times per test, with each "test" consisting of the different combinations of height, bust size, hairstyle, etc.
If you think the armor models we've been getting lately have been "limited"...imagine how drab they'd get when you're exponentially multiplying the amount of work required.
If they ARE going to add it, then, it would have to be as part of a large-scale update with many things happening at once so it "fits" better. In other words, a situation where they're adding another aspect to character creation.

Any team that would be put on this task would be taken off of another task, thus slowing down patch/expansion development. You seem to be under the impression that SE can just build a new team out of nothing and put them on this. You then compare it to 'a modder,' who is one person that can dedicate time to a very specific task with no quality control or cross-platform testing... it is beyond obvious that you have no idea how these projects work.

QFT, and also the modders are at the mercy of the company's developers, while an actual development team is dependent on the...whatever the person's title happens to be in that instance...to finish all of their work and submit it to testing in a timely manner.
Basically, a modder only answers to him/herself and fans. A developer answers to his/her bosses, co-workers, bosses' bosses, and bosses' bosses' bosses. Depending on the game, a given developer can be on several "teams" with different responsibilities, deadlines, and resources. Developers aren't some massive army of robots. Often there are fewer developers working on a given aspect of the game than there are modders contributing to a custom UI project.

[KaedrianLiang]

They made absolutely no effort to make a female version of the Noct set. Im sure players can think of more examples. When there are differences in male and female designs its for all the wrong reasons or unnecessary. *Cough drg and nin af *cough*

And that's a problem why?
Noct Lorica is horrible for plenty of reasons on females and lots of people complain about female DRG for stupid reasons(love the practicality reasoning in a game where we virtually fight gods) and what is wrong with Female Nin now? The fact she's based on the Kunoichi look?

Srs post, is srs.

Especially the last line thats meant to be a sarcastic jab at players that are complaining for the exact reasons you stated.

YOU GET IT YOU REALLY DO.

except for this opening line: "And that's a problem why?"

and this finishing line: "what is wrong with Female Nin now?"

and these outburts: "stupid reasons" "<something about gods>."

Which declares you have some kind of biased agenda. You are as sinister as those players complaining about the armors for "real life fight to the death scenarios". /facedesk

[Xhominid]

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Is this whole post supposed to be sarcastic? Be honest, as I made one little blunder and you are tossing this all out.
So sleep on it and whatever happens after that happens. And oh yeah, trying to detect sarcasm on the internet is like trying to detect a needle in a haystack.

I don't know why you're being mean to me because I'm not even trying to offend anyone. I'm just here for dicussion and I say again, I'm in for this but come on now...
You're seriously comparing apples to oranges on this topic.
A butt you barely see most of the time because you're in some sort of gear, panned out or whatever.

And? What about those who plan to glamour? How many times have you seen people, male and female toons, play half naked characters? Don't you think they care about their appearances on that forefront as well or do they suddenly not matter?

As for priorities, I am not sure if you were here when there was a hell storm when housing originally came out, people waited for years on housing
only to be turned into poop, 6mo's or so later it turned worse, housing made me livid because basically it's content I'm gated to. So many people got forum banned because
of it..it was awful. I'm not going to say anymore, it's a new year and I'm living my pass anger issues about it behind lol.

Oh no, I KNOW of the story of housing(you think that OUR outrage was bad? Japanese outrage made ours look extremely tame like a poodle compared to their F-5 Tornado), I was saying that on the point of it, it's nothing more than another convenience, something that players mainly asked for themselves and Squenix delivered, same with Golden Saucer and plenty of other conveniences that isn't explore storyline and do dungeons honestly.

But yeah, comparing actual content people log into to do for funsies to a behind just ain't right...I've yet to find a valid reason to the amount of want...but give what the people want I say.
-Shrugs; Just gimme GS ... AND DON'T SCREW IT UP! XD

And how is that not fair? It's still is as you rightfully stated a convenience, something to break up the monotony of this game and many other MMOs like it. Heck, even making new hairstyles is still a convenience which is virtually what I'm talking about. Some people like to have options for their character and plenty of people PRIDE themselves on making a character they like. You can say up and down how this doesn't concern yourself but do they not matter? It's mainly you can't have your cake and eat it too. Some people want more housing, some people want to have more fun options to goof around in and some people want their characters to look nicer/hotter, who is right in saying that isn't what I want so forget them? I mean for pete sake, you have people asking for MALE BODY HAIR OPTIONS and somehow that is raising less of a stink then people asking for proportionate butts for males and females, does that somehow not strike you as ridiculous?