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  1. #71
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    Domira's Avatar
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    Corvus Lament
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    Excalibur
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    Dark Knight Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Jakeson View Post
    This. I obviously don't do maths, but STR tanks actually slow groups down when I play my scholar. With a full VIT tank I can almost stay in cleric stance the whole time and DPS constantly while Selene stands in fire. Not to hurt the tank pride, but I do more damage than you.
    I don't think the extra 450 hp a full vit tank has makes a difference. Talk about exaggeration? Switching from poetics accs to pentameld ilvl 110 I gained 90 str and lost like 450 hp....Also I have about 2% extra mitigation with blocks and parry's. So there is more to gain than there is to lose.
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    Last edited by Domira; 02-10-2015 at 12:16 AM.

  2. #72
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    Aveira Teleri
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    Odin
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    Archer Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Lemuria View Post
    This is where I will have to respectfully disagree. One important note that everyone is forgetting is that these accessories aren't just Vitality bonuses, they're also granting significant gains to parrying skill which will greatly reduce the damage taken by a tank. Sacrifice one, and sacrifice both.
    Except...the parry stat is useless.
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  3. #73
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    SarcasmMisser's Avatar
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    Captnyan Meowpants
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    Tonberry
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    Thaumaturge Lv 70
    Next up on upside-down world: Cats marry Dogs, Pigs fly, Hell freezes over and a SCH does more DPS than a STR-geared warrior on a large pull with several mobs.
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  4. #74
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    Sapphic Meow
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    Monk Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Jakeson View Post
    This. I obviously don't do maths, but STR tanks actually slow groups down when I play my scholar. With a full VIT tank I can almost stay in cleric stance the whole time and DPS constantly while Selene stands in fire. Not to hurt the tank pride, but I do more damage than you.
    Funny, as I can stay in cleric easier on STR tanks than full vit tanks on my alt SCH due to mobs dieing faster. Pro-tip pop fey illu and ask tank to pop convalescence either pre pull or when they grabbed all the mobs, just need one Adlo crit (around 2k for me) for a 4k shield and DPS. Then eye for an eye, more useful on huge pulls than single bosses.

    Now tanks who can't be bothered to use any def CDs? Doesn't matter if they in STR gear or full vit, they drop like a lead balloon on mass pulls.
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    Last edited by Sapphic; 02-09-2015 at 10:59 PM.

  5. #75
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    Aisu Strong
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    Marauder Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Domira View Post
    I don't think the extra 200-300 hp a full vit tank has makes a difference. Talk about exaggeration? Switching from poetics accs to pentameld ilvl 110 I gained 90 str and lost like 200 hp....Also I have about 2% extra mitigation with blocks and parry's. So there is more to gain than there is to lose.
    it's like 2k, not 300
    but pentameld gets best of both
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  6. #76
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    Summoner Lv 90
    because anybody can play whatever damn way it likes, and still pull and keep aggro
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  7. #77
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    A'lyhhia Tahz
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    Lamia
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    Quote Originally Posted by aisustrong View Post
    it's like 2k, not 300
    but pentameld gets best of both
    Currently, i130 Fending accessories each give 6 Vitality over i110. Adding up the entire right side, it is 30 Vitality. Pentamelding i110 accessories gives a maximum of 90 STR at the cost of 30 VIT you would have if you used i130 fending. This is a loss of 450 HP maximum health. If you do these accessories and nothing else a Pally will have 9500 health while still wrecking things.

    As Domira stated, melding accessories really does give the best of both worlds.
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  8. #78
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    Domira's Avatar
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    Corvus Lament
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    Excalibur
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    Dark Knight Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Donjo View Post
    Currently, i130 Fending accessories each give 6 Vitality over i110. Adding up the entire right side, it is 30 Vitality. Pentamelding i110 accessories gives a maximum of 90 STR at the cost of 30 VIT you would have if you used i130 fending. This is a loss of 450 HP maximum health. If you do these accessories and nothing else a Pally will have 9500 health while still wrecking things.

    As Domira stated, melding accessories really does give the best of both worlds.
    Thanks for the correct number! Yeah 450 hp isn't a lot at all. Its not even noticeable, but that extra 90 str sure is.
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  9. #79
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    Sir Taint
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    Behemoth
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    Alchemist Lv 50
    95% of this game requires 7000 or less HP for a PLD tank.
    Turns 10-12 you want 8000 max HP.
    Turn 13 you want ~9200 for a first clear, 8500 for Farm and great groups sub 8000 is fine.

    There is a ton of room for STR accessories while still meeting the HP requirements.
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  10. #80
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    Aisu Strong
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    Quote Originally Posted by Donjo View Post
    Currently, i130 Fending accessories each give 6 Vitality over i110. Adding up the entire right side, it is 30 Vitality. Pentamelding i110 accessories gives a maximum of 90 STR at the cost of 30 VIT you would have if you used i130 fending. This is a loss of 450 HP maximum health. If you do these accessories and nothing else a Pally will have 9500 health while still wrecking things.

    As Domira stated, melding accessories really does give the best of both worlds.
    yes that's what I mean
    and the 2 k diff is if you don't meld, as in tome acc
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