The Hunt Public Shaming Needs to end

[Snugglebutt]

Which player have I ever specifically harassed? Taking a stand with other players against the "criminal" elements, a.k.a trolls is not harassment. You can insult us and harass me by calling us names like lynch mob or whatever else you like, but what we are doing is not harassment by any definition.

Sorry but your insane...I am of the belief at this stage the only reason you have not been banned from these forums is due to perhaps the moderators finding entertainment in your insane rants. The fact you even compare people who pull hunt mobs in a video game (early is subjective and not a fact) to ISIS, the mafia, criminals or even worse hyperbolic and asinine comparisons earlier in the thread is evidence of your delusional state of mind.

I am done with you, your too deep into your own self-denial and delusion that talking to you anymore is a waste of my time.

[Zedd702]

Yes, there is. Your entire side would be biased because you're forcing people to play according to a set of guidelines that are based upon the Argumentum Ad Populum stance which is an extremely narrow-minded point of view, no matter how you try to spin it.

^This

/damncharlimits...

[Zedd702]

Diversity means a lot of things, but none of which means that we who are victimized by the trolls should remain silent and as some would say "more deal with it". The real world has too many places where there is all ready too much silence and "deal with it" and conceded too much space and freedom to the "criminal" elements who would actually use violent means to obtain the silence.

The above is just a repeat that I have already replied to... Last words I will waste answering this again.

I got news for you. Look at the thread title ... "needs to end", i.e. we need to be quiet. Sorry no can do, we are going to deal with it by identifying the trouble makers and let them know our grievances and blacklist them if we have to, and we are going to do this in a coordinated fashion to the best of our ability all without running foul of the verbal abuse rules or harasssment rules. It is not harassment to be organized and take a stand against the trolls.

News flash, I said I, which indicates me. I answered your post as if I was speaking to you on the subject of discussion, NOT on the pretenses of shutting you up before hearing what you have to say...

I've never assumed to be some governing authority or government or police powers or what not, unlike some who pretend to speak for the GM using terms like the "confirmed by GM" when no such confirmation has ever happened on this topic.

Except... that's exactly what you are doing, but you are so deep in your own view of justice, you just don't see it.

[NyarukoW]

Yes, there is. ... no matter how you try to spin it.

Look, there has NOT been a positive argument to demonstrate why trolls should have the right to troll and grief other players. All the arguments just excuses via hypotheticals as to what ifs..., or in case that ..., basically excuses and get-out-of-jail passes, none of which show why that kind of behavior should be accepted by the vast majority of the players for their bad behavior. The letter of the law (in this case rule) does NOT forbid the early pull outright, but to insist on that trolling behavior is akin to extracting that pound of flesh without a drop of blodd. Good luck trying.

The repeat offender that repeatedly early pull will be clearly identified, it is just a simple signal-to-noise problem, with enough samples and plenty of people with vested interest to correctly identify the offender at all hours, this will be done easily enough with some patience and lots of people watching. Now explain to me, why anyone, much less the vast majority of the players, who just want to have drama free hunts, why should we have to yield to troll? And more importantly why we should have to be silent about it?

[MirielleLavandre]

Lol at this still going on...though the naughty part of my mind just wants to be an 'early puller' and see if people and NyarukoW try to 'shame' me off the server now >.> It'd be quite funny, seeing as how I feel there is no 'shame' in early pulling since early pulling doesn't exist to me (it is all subjective, as is this whole discussion...). Luckily, I don't hunt since it is full of many toxic players these days ^_^v

Did I hate it getting the message and running all the way to marks to have them dead because someone pulls before I get there? Sure, but that's on me or my means of communication for being too slow. Would I ever rage at someone or /blist them for pulling -- never.

[Dwill]

Look, there has NOT been a positive argument to demonstrate why trolls should have the right to troll and grief other players. All the arguments just excuses via hypotheticals as to what ifs..., or in case that ..., basically excuses and get-out-of-jail passes, none of which show why that kind of behavior should be accepted by the vast majority of the players for their bad behavior. The letter of the law (in this case rule) does NOT forbid the early pull outright, but to insist on that trolling behavior is akin to extracting that pound of flesh without a drop of blodd. Good luck trying.

The repeat offender that repeatedly early pull will be clearly identified, it is just a simple signal-to-noise problem, with enough samples and plenty of people with vested interest to correctly identify the offender at all hours, this will be done easily enough with some patience and lots of people watching. Now explain to me, why anyone, much less the vast majority of the players, who just want to have drama free hunts, why should we have to yield to troll? And more importantly why we should have to be silent about it?

You don't have to yield to anyone and if someone's behavior annoys you, you blacklist them, it''s that simple. Spending 5 minutes doing hunts is all it takes to see why this would go horribly wrong. Heck, no one can even agree on what the clear definition of early pulling is nor how long the person who has found would have to wait before it's not early territory anymore.

Vigilante justice is not solution but I'm not expecting someone who has a clear history of being excessively narrow-minded to grasp such a simple concept.

[Zedd702]

-stuff-

Instead of "voicing" it with the type of energy you are wasting with explaining yourself. How about putting this energy to something that will remedy the problem of the early pull and suggest something that will make life a little easier? Calling someone out over /shout is a good way to start something that could potentially get you and the offender temporarily banned. As it stands now, you accomplish nothing with what you are doing by calling out said troll (aka early puller to you).

You cannot tell me you can justify who an early puller is, just because YOU did not get there before the pull. That puller could have been waiting gawd knows how long before you even got wind to the hunt. Calm down and think...

[Cadmar]

Sorry but your insane...

^This

#bat____crazy

[NyarukoW]

... Calm down and think...

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Vigilante justice is not solution ....

What vigilante justice? I got no batman powers or what not. People organizing and doing the things they need to get the troll to stop is not vigilante justice.

When the hunt group know to let the early puller get killed by the elite mark and we get to see the corpse of the early puller that is more than proof enough of the early puller. You can call things over shout without resorting to verbal abuse. Simple macro: /shout <t> is early pulling, hold fire, do not res.

...though the naughty part of my mind just wants to be an 'early puller' ....

I doubt your friends in a well liked FC likes yours appreciates getting flak from everyone else on the server. It is not a definition you or I get to decide, but when everyone else on the server is mad at you, good luck to you. We had to throw the trolls out of our FC before it made terrible for the rest of us.

[Cadmar]

What vigilante justice? I got no batman powers or what not. People organizing and doing the things they need to get the troll to stop is not vigilante justice.

When the hunt group know to let the early puller get killed by the elite mark and we get to see the corpse of the early puller that is more than proof enough of the early puller. You can call things over shout without resorting to verbal abuse. Simple macro: /shout <t> is early pulling, hold fire, do not res.

Batman didn't actually have any powers. He was just super smart and used awesome gadgets.