there's a lot of sensitive people in this game

[AsahinaMyLove]

I had a kid and there parrot keep insulting me for using Ifrit Egi. <.<

[Roris]

This game is full of baddies, more news at 11.

By the way I know you, yes you, you're scrambling to check my Lodestone for my T13 win right now after that statement, good for you.

[Alipoprocks]

While we're on this topic, could we talk about what we healers want for other party members to do? WAIT FOR THE BUFFS.

When in dungeon we do buffs at the start. Right? Doesn't take more than few seconds. What I absolutely hate is people who just run off without waiting those few seconds it takes me to put buffs on you. "GOTTA SPEEDRUN THIS, CAN'T WAIT FOR PROTECT/STONESKIN!" Oh trust me honey, I most likely won't give you protect/stoneskin if you can't wait for it and ask for it later. Probably makes my job as a healer harder but it's my decision.

My biggest peeve ever! If you wait 10 seconds for buffs (at the very least for the tank), I can dps more! Have time to shadowflare and dot all the mobs and maybe some ruins before I have to throw my first physic/adlo. Well, depending on the pull. But good tanks when making big pulls grab hate on all the mobs so can reapply adlo and stoneskin before we get them all.

But back on point, if that really was all that happened, vote kick is a bit severe. But what I really love, are all the responses from people that say like "Would have been better if you said 'Could you please throw in a holy if you feel comfortable with it?'". If I try to run and type more than two words, I run into walls or mobs and pull aggro. lol. I know I can't type and play at the same time so I don't say much.

[Noahlimits]

I definitely don't get the "Healers who don't DPS suck!" point of view. I don't hire a personal chef to fix my car, and his ability to fix said car shouldn't reflect on his cooking skill. And as for the CNJ questline, I'm pretty sure we'd have the same problems with Sylphie using her lifeforce to cast Stone II.

I personally don't think they suck, just that they're lazy. Your analogy with a chef fixing your car isn't appropriate; he isn't given the tools to fix a car when doing his primary job. Healers are not only given DPS tools, but they mitigate damage and are very good.

[BraveheartRamo]

Chris, what you did is take a good initiative to speed up the run while as you state, the risks are absolutely low. As you said, if healer didn't feel comfortable with a technique, they can simple say so and life goes on... vote kick is an extreme measure no matter what the reason is. From my experience, I never vote kick any player when things get messy.

[Hayward]

Seeing a healer standing still afk while nobody needs healing pisses me off too, when that happens I remove all Parry/vitality accessories (and switch my chest from parry acc to crit det from WoD since dungeons barely require any ACC anyway) and go from 10,800 HP to like 8,600 lol.

Hey, you aren't gonna dps, and only heal? Prepare to heal cause I'm gonna take a beating, but since you can't dish out an extra 150-250 dps for the team, better that you do something (healing more often) while I dish an extra 50 dps, I'll maybe even drop Defiance if the dps are too low lol

I'm sorry but tanking and stupidity don't go well together. Any healer who sees that would be well advised to send you on your way.

[Altaeciana]

got kicked out of a lost city duty run for simply saying "holy?" to a healer. tank pulled everything before the steps, i popped mantra then played foe's but they stood there even when nobody needed healing. didn't say anything, figured maybe they weren't comfortable with using holy or cleric stance with a group of enemies at 50-75%. they got lower though, nobody needed any healing and still nothing so i wrote "holy?" and that was it. nothing more and nothing less. tank and healer were in an fc together and booted me because "they didn't like my attitude" lol. not the first time something like this has happened either to me or to randoms and friends. this really needs to stop. it's the internet, if you're going to be that sensitive here you might as well stay in a bubble because somebody that actually wants to be mean will make it their job to annoy you or hurt your feelings which you make very easy.

First of all, report the duo. That is a fine example of misusing the vote dismiss function. The reasons you get are: [AFK] [Offline] [Harassment] [Cheating].

Ask yourself, did your inquisitive suggestion fall into any one of these categories? If you feel yes, then do not file a report. You are then guilty as charged and deserved the end result. If your answer is no, then file that damn report!

You can be removed at any time if the vote passes through. But you cannot be removed wrongfully and that constitutes a chalk mark on their accounts to put some weight towards wrong-doings.

This next part may be tl; dr, so go ahead and skip down to the end for a summary if you aren't in the mood to do some reading.

Secondly, the way you "suggested" the healer do something to help the group's damage was not very helpful. You sound like a 16 year old tween brat of a girl: "uhh, tank? Like, hello, do your job. Gosh!" How about you use that public education and put it to use with say... the construction of a sentence? Really, it doesn't take that much time or effort as texting so likes to differ. This is a fine example of where had you said something differently, the outcome would have been different. That you were the one in control with a list of options at hand and chose poorly or wrongly.

Thirdly, it is not a healer's job to DPS. They have DPS capabilities, but you have to understand that without them, they could almost never have leveled up to 50 as fast as every other class/job. One can argue that they could solely level up through party interactions and cooperative progressions. But their DPS capabilities are for the sake of speeding up the process so they wouldn't have to form a party at level 3 and gain experience points at a split rate.

Yes, it is helpful if a healer "multi-tasked" and did everything to the highest level of efficiency at any given moment to help the group progress quicker. But put YOURSELF into their shoes. Imagine the button mashing and the increased hand to eye coordination you have to make yourself do with the given controls. Monitoring not just party health and current environment mechanicms (AoEs, cast bars, party chat, etc) while you just sit there and press between 1-5 buttons in cycle of each other. That's a big F You Mister if I ever saw one.

tl;dr

1. Change how you communicate to people. Further elaboration may be helpful.
2. Healers are not DPSers.
3. Don't expect every healer to care the same as the ones you're acquainted with. Likewise, you can't expect every DPS to be as efficient and not every tank in the same sense.
4. Don't be a jerk and intrude in with your set of expectations. You chose to join via random DF, so then deal with what you're given.
5. Put yourself in the pilot seat of what a healer would have to do to live up to your expectations.

[LionKing]

- A bad DPS is who screws up his DPS rotation, pull out low numbers, which are actually part of the job,not because he could not HEAL HIMSELF (Second wind/Physik) nor to minimize or even preventing the dealt damage (Manaward/Manawall/Foresight) or help reducing damage on the tank (Virus/EfE/Apo)
- A bad Tank is who could not pop the CD for appropriate time, fail to hold agro, which actually a part of the role, not because he could deal big number despite he could and had the tools (Berserk/Sword Oath) to do so.
- A bad Healer is who could not multi-tasking, to DPS and to Heal no matter how perfect he heals the party. It conveniently gets ignored. To Heal is part of the job, To DPS is not part og the job.

Screw logic, screw fairness, screw the I play how I want to play as long as i don't fail at my primary role and what I am here for, yo Heal.

Regarding the example of a chief being asked to fix the car and someone mentioned he did not have the tool to perform such tasks. How about the hirer gives him the tools and "Here, the tools, fix it!" ? He will still refuse because he lacks of skills and knowledge to give an operation on the car. The hirer can not fire him just because he could not do it nor force him to do it or pointing finger at him and say the chief is suck. You don't need to be a chief to fix a car nor have to be a mechanic to fix your own car. All you need is the confident and skill to carry out the maintenance or it will end up as a mess. The same can be said for those who call Healer is suck at his job just because they don't DpS. Leave that decision to the Healer himselves, please.!!!!

[Bebekurenai]

Eos>>>Selene XD

Magic damage reduction buff so less damage to heal, means I can pewpew more, extra AE heal/hot, buff mu heals and Eos so my Adlo and Succor shields for more, so I can pewpew more ^_^ Pop Fey Illu+Rouse and Eos heals like a baws X
DEos, overall brings more than Selene, which has been tested and calculated that BLM gets the most benefit from Selene and that is about a 1% DPS increase, Whereas Eos allows the SCH to DPS even more. Not to mention, like in t13, Fey Covenant for giggleflare saves a aetherstack for other uses.

I call it giggleflare :P If he did a pelvic thrust while casting, t'would be called Giggityflare!

I please ask you to call out your source and test again, but this time with the blm in range and with the buff actually on. This statement is true but only the part about your own pewpew purpose, which I agree is the best. But not for your party with even only one blm. I have a dps increase of almost a 40% with Selene and not just once, always. The spell speed gained is insane and definetly is to choose over an Eos that benefits your pewpew performance. You might agree with me, it's better to make the actual dps in the party stand out than the healer's pewpew. I as a sch rather have the blm (since he has the job) do more damage than little me on cleric stance trying to match the blm.

[Xhominid]

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Oh yeah, because DPS will always get hit by attacks like clockwork, have those abilities on tap, know WHEN to cast those abilities while doing their rotations...
Or Tanks will randomly give DPS the chance to override their hate because they want to act like DPS when unlike SCH and WHM, only WAR can put out numbers even close to typical DPS numbers without hate being overridden.

Screw logic, screw fairness, screw the I play how I want to play as long as i don't fail at my primary role and what I am here for, yo Heal.

Conjurer NPCs and CNJ Headmaster says otherwise...

Regarding the example of a chief being asked to fix the car and someone mentioned he did not have the tool to perform such tasks. How about the hirer gives him the tools and "Here, the tools, fix it!" ? He will still refuse because he lacks of skills and knowledge to give an operation on the car. The hirer can not fire him just because he could not do it nor force him to do it or pointing finger at him and say the chief is suck. You don't need to be a chief to fix a car nor have to be a mechanic to fix your own car. All you need is the confident and skill to carry out the maintenance or it will end up as a mess. The same can be said for those who call Healer is suck at his job just because they don't DpS. Leave that decision to the Healer himselves, please.!!!!

Yeah! Because me getting full party comms and massive comms from raids as a WHM that knows how to attack and heal says otherwise...oh wait.

Unlike DPS who may not even HAVE those abilities on tap or PLD and WARs who may not have the skills to maximize their DPS, WHM and SCHs HAVE their ability to DPS RIGHT ON THE SPOT!
CS grants 20% boost in power along with switching MND to INT, Aero by itself is a big boon to DPS since it helps kill enemies faster, even casting a single Stone I or II is a massive help to the tank and let's not even touch Holy...
On top of that, DS + Regen can easily pick up the slack for casting a single Holy. And people DO call out DPS who screws up on their rotations and Tanks that don't pop CDs, the difference is that while healers HAVE the choice to DPS or not, expect some people to be outright PISSED that you are taking the easy route because "It's not what we should do" despite the game saying otherwise numerous times through Medic Enemies, NPCs and the CNJ headmaster.
I have no issue if a healer doesn't want to DPS, just don't expect a Comm or a GG from me.