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    Zoralink's Avatar
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    Zora Link
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    Leviathan
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    Arcanist Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by LionKing View Post
    Question to you: How do you know if someone is capable of doing more with their jobs when it is your first time as well as maybe the only time you have a chance to play with them? Have you ever questioned yourself that? Sure the job is capable more of just for healing but to effectively use those potential to its fullest, not everyone can do the same, you know?
    Nothing you just said rebukes anything I said. If someone is incapable, then they are objectively a worse player than someone who is capable. It doesn't magically make it all sunshine and rainbows because the poor white mage is struggling to understand that regen is an amazing heal and they can safely holy during the massive downtime as the tank pops sentinel.

    I'll also point you to this.
    Quote Originally Posted by Zoralink View Post
    It's not like I'm going around going "OMG NUB" every time I see a healer not DPS, but on the flip side it's also well within my rights to be mildly annoyed if they refuse to DPS while not healing for 10+ seconds.
    And sigh. Here we go. Again.
    Quote Originally Posted by LionKing View Post
    When a healer stands around and doing nothing even though nobody is in need of healing, being lazy is one of the possibility. However, there are also other possible outcomes as well:

    1/He is not confident or skilled enough to perform multi-tasking.
    Then they are not a good player or are still learning the job. Part of learning the job is learning how to weave in some damage.

    2/He does not trust his tank or DPS because he never play with them before or there were some events occurred within the run that led him to think that way.
    Part of being a healer is learning to read your party and their capabilities. You can generally figure this out within the first pull or two.

    3/He is suffering from some sort of advantages, be it disability, slow reaction.
    I don't quite buy that every healer who sits there staring into the sunset while occasionally casting a regen or a cure II on the tank is disabled.

    4/He is a high ping user.
    Even at high pings you can weave in more damage, unless you're talking something absolutely obscene, such as 400+ ping.


    5/He is not opened for being blamed as bad/suck healer in the case of the whole pt die because lack of healing.Things like "OMG, do your job!!!!", "You noob/scrub healer". So he take the safest route by just focus on healing and fulfil his job.
    See point one.

    Out of these 6 I listed being lazy on purpose is but 1 of many many more reasons why he chose not to DPS. And the same question again: "How do you know what he is capable of?"
    Everyone can learn to be a better player. Many choose not to. That is very much an aspect of laziness/fear of the unknown.

    EDIT: You added something:

    or on this case "How does OP know what his healer is capable of even though he never meet and play with him before?"
    Because people can usually recognize when there are moments to deal damage as a healer even if they are not healing?
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    Last edited by Zoralink; 02-04-2015 at 06:43 AM.

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    LionKing's Avatar
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    Kaane Moka
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    Behemoth
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    1/ When someone is still learning the jobs, especially something that is not their first priority to do, you don't call them horrible or suck at the role. Though it is far from the truth. The moment they see a Healer not DPSing, the jump right into conclusion that noob/scrub or be annoyed . Give them tips/advice, not some knee-jerk comments like most of the people I have exp so far.

    2/Trust or no trust, read the party is capable or not, to DPS or to not DPS, it is their own call. It is not the decision for anyone in the party but him. It is still far from the truth. Because there are Healer out there who can multi-tasking, it means it is a standard for any Healer to multi-tasking which is false. What is the point of having the ability to make decision when people tell you what to do, in most cases, DPS.

    3/Are you for certain that they won't suffer from any disadvantages? The ones I listed is just two of so many medical/physical conditions that one could suffer from. I can not prove they are and you have no proof to say otherwise. It would do us all wise to not assume everyone is the same for we are not, as a matter of fact.

    4/ Have you ever played any class with 400 ping before? The struggle and rubber banding is real. So unless you are experienced yourself, your opinion is invalid regarding the matter.

    P/S At this point, I feel like I am just repeating myself over and over. Therefore, I will end here.
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    Last edited by LionKing; 02-04-2015 at 10:29 AM.

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    lvlagmarink's Avatar
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    Magmarink Dragregory
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    Moogle
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zoralink View Post
    I don't quite buy that every healer who sits there staring into the sunset while occasionally casting a regen or a cure II on the tank is disabled.

    Even at high pings you can weave in more damage, unless you're talking something absolutely obscene, such as 400+ ping.
    At times i have a cat who would jump on top of my laptop and trying to paw my nose. So i need to focus on and dodge 2 attacks at once.. At times i'm just lazy.. At times i'm just sleepy, on another times i'm eating while healing.. At times i'm watching tv as well.. It really depends on the mood.. Ya know.. Would you just call me bad or would address it as there are times i'm being bad? Since i dpsing too as healer.. Contents are cleared most of the times and i never got kicked..
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    Quote Originally Posted by lvlagmarink View Post
    Didnt i say that i'd just make a good/bad ridiculous statement?
    Ya, I took your statement as being facetious not malicious. However, it does read as being smugly sarcastic to the OP.

    And also:

    Quote Originally Posted by Stihllodeing View Post
    *I'm a bad milk drinker because I get a milk mustache.
    PRO L33TS USE STRAWS YOU NOOB!!!
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    Last edited by Ladyaceous; 02-04-2015 at 09:39 AM.

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    Ulath Skullsplitter
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    Hyperion
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    Dragoon Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by lvlagmarink View Post
    ...At times i'm just lazy.. At times i'm just sleepy, on another times i'm eating while healing.. At times i'm watching tv as well.. It really depends on the mood.. Ya know.. Would you just call me bad or would address it as there are times i'm being bad? Since i dpsing too as healer.. Contents are cleared most of the times and i never got kicked..
    This is the honest truth of it right here. Most healers in these dungeons that don't dps are just lazy. They are looking to get their roulette done while semi afk. Pressing a button to heal every once in a while while doing something else.
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