there's a lot of sensitive people in this game

[Eidolon]

Can you beat content with a X that never uses Y? Yes. Are they a good X? No

When dragoon = x and feint = y, your statement is FALSE <3

[Stihllodeing]

Do you know that when you put a standard to make things being good or bad can lead to ridiculous statement?

Have you tried to move closer to improve your latency? No.. Are you a bad player? Yes

Have you tried playing 24/7 so you can improve your character more? No.. Are you a bad player? Yes

The moment you refuse to do something that can improve your gameplay means you are a BAD BAD player.. There is a reason why SE put server somewhere so you can move closer to it and there is a reason why the game server is up like almost 24/7 so you can play it 24/7..

\o/ i love it being a very bad player..

I guess the following also applies:

*I'm bad at listening to music because I can't read music.

*I'm bad at foreign languages because I don't know them all.

*I'm a bad milk drinker because I get a milk mustache.

These are just ridiculous analogies. You are either a bad troll or a shining example of people being "overly sensitive" or "overly dramatic" (ya know the title of the thread).

[Naliee]

Someone still have some popcorn left?

[Moqi]

Why do you care so much that a bunch of strangers kicked you out of a dungeon you'll run hundreds of times anyway that you had to open a thread about it? It's the internet, stop being so sensitive.

[LionKing]

When a healer stands around and doing nothing even though nobody is in need of healing, being lazy is one of the possibility. However, there are also other possible outcomes as well:

1/He is not confident or skilled enough to perform multi-tasking.
2/He does not trust his tank or DPS because he never play with them before or there were some events occurred within the run that led him to think that way.
3/He is suffering from some sort of advantages, be it disability, slow reaction.
4/He is a high ping user.
5/He is not opened for being blamed as bad/suck healer in the case of the whole pt die because lack of healing.Things like "OMG, do your job!!!!", "You noob/scrub healer". So he take the safest route by just focus on healing and fulfil his job.

Out of these 6 I listed being lazy on purpose is but 1 of many many more reasons why he chose not to DPS. And the same question again: "How do you know what he is capable of?" or on this case "How does OP know what his healer is capable of even though he never meet and play with him before?"

Was he trying to kick the Healer whom he thought of was underperformng? No
Was he trying to assume that the Healer was more capable of multi-tasking? Yes

I personally won't click "Vote to kick" Jude because of the assumption from anyone from the party, even though it mays be wrong. However, if he tries to push that false assumption to anyone in the party and make a big deal out of it, I will click "Vote to kick"

With the so-called standard of a healer nowaday requires one has to multi-tasking, or else suck, the moment one mention a word/idea about anything that could lead to that so-called standard, in Op case Holy, it could easily tick someone off their mind. Being short also does not do any justice to his statement either, his comment can be taken for both ways. Unfortunately for him, the took it negatively, hence a kick.

[Zoralink]

Question to you: How do you know if someone is capable of doing more with their jobs when it is your first time as well as maybe the only time you have a chance to play with them? Have you ever questioned yourself that? Sure the job is capable more of just for healing but to effectively use those potential to its fullest, not everyone can do the same, you know?

Nothing you just said rebukes anything I said. If someone is incapable, then they are objectively a worse player than someone who is capable. It doesn't magically make it all sunshine and rainbows because the poor white mage is struggling to understand that regen is an amazing heal and they can safely holy during the massive downtime as the tank pops sentinel.

I'll also point you to this.

It's not like I'm going around going "OMG NUB" every time I see a healer not DPS, but on the flip side it's also well within my rights to be mildly annoyed if they refuse to DPS while not healing for 10+ seconds.

And sigh. Here we go. Again.

When a healer stands around and doing nothing even though nobody is in need of healing, being lazy is one of the possibility. However, there are also other possible outcomes as well:

1/He is not confident or skilled enough to perform multi-tasking.

Then they are not a good player or are still learning the job. Part of learning the job is learning how to weave in some damage.

2/He does not trust his tank or DPS because he never play with them before or there were some events occurred within the run that led him to think that way.

Part of being a healer is learning to read your party and their capabilities. You can generally figure this out within the first pull or two.

3/He is suffering from some sort of advantages, be it disability, slow reaction.

I don't quite buy that every healer who sits there staring into the sunset while occasionally casting a regen or a cure II on the tank is disabled.

4/He is a high ping user.

Even at high pings you can weave in more damage, unless you're talking something absolutely obscene, such as 400+ ping.

5/He is not opened for being blamed as bad/suck healer in the case of the whole pt die because lack of healing.Things like "OMG, do your job!!!!", "You noob/scrub healer". So he take the safest route by just focus on healing and fulfil his job.

See point one.

Out of these 6 I listed being lazy on purpose is but 1 of many many more reasons why he chose not to DPS. And the same question again: "How do you know what he is capable of?"

Everyone can learn to be a better player. Many choose not to. That is very much an aspect of laziness/fear of the unknown.

EDIT: You added something:

or on this case "How does OP know what his healer is capable of even though he never meet and play with him before?"

Because people can usually recognize when there are moments to deal damage as a healer even if they are not healing?

[Elusana_Celah]

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I usually choose to stand around healing in my dungeon runs that don't require much healing cuz I'm lazy. No shame here lol. I can heal and DPS with holy no problem but it depends on my mood. Sometimes I really don't feel up to it so I don't. If someone tries to make me do it they get ignored. If I get kicked from the party cuz I'm not DPSing then okay lol.

[LionKing]

When dragoon = x and feint = y, your statement is FALSE <3

This seems fun, I want to play as well:

When MNk=X and Y = Haymarker/Featherfoot/One Ilm punch, your statement is false

[LionKing]

1/ When someone is still learning the jobs, especially something that is not their first priority to do, you don't call them horrible or suck at the role. Though it is far from the truth. The moment they see a Healer not DPSing, the jump right into conclusion that noob/scrub or be annoyed . Give them tips/advice, not some knee-jerk comments like most of the people I have exp so far.

2/Trust or no trust, read the party is capable or not, to DPS or to not DPS, it is their own call. It is not the decision for anyone in the party but him. It is still far from the truth. Because there are Healer out there who can multi-tasking, it means it is a standard for any Healer to multi-tasking which is false. What is the point of having the ability to make decision when people tell you what to do, in most cases, DPS.

3/Are you for certain that they won't suffer from any disadvantages? The ones I listed is just two of so many medical/physical conditions that one could suffer from. I can not prove they are and you have no proof to say otherwise. It would do us all wise to not assume everyone is the same for we are not, as a matter of fact.

4/ Have you ever played any class with 400 ping before? The struggle and rubber banding is real. So unless you are experienced yourself, your opinion is invalid regarding the matter.

P/S At this point, I feel like I am just repeating myself over and over. Therefore, I will end here.

[lvlagmarink]

There is no 'set of standards' for this, as it's very much obvious when it happens.
But on the flip side it's also well within my rights to be mildly annoyed if they refuse to DPS while not healing for 10+ seconds.

How can you call this thing being objective when you put up a standard on it which is pretty much subjective to you.. Read as not healing for 10+seconds.. Others may have it 12s, 5s or prolly doesnt even bother when a specific job do a specific thing? I'm not gonna say that you're wrong when saying people who dont try are worse player overall.. It's true.. But never call it as something being objective and.. Point is.. Something that's bad for you wont be bad to others..

For me personally i wouldnt call playstyle preference as being bad.. People clear a content and without using an x or a y why bother calling them bad to see every nook and cranny mistake they have made?