In-Game Parser.

[QiLymePye]

I guess what im trying to get at is two things:#1 Was this game made with Parsing in mind, especially from a third party program? And #2, Can this game be enjoyed, completed without this program. See the way i see it its like saying "hey, developers should take a program that's essentially a cheat and add it to their game so we can play their game better." What?!

If all of a sudden, SE made it so you cant gather that so called "needed" data to play the game, how many of you asking for it are gonna quit, stop playing or cry that its too hard? I agree that its really not needed. If it was, it would be in the game for all players, not just for a bunch of pc users who are elitist. Im sorry, this game is not a job. its a game. If i want to maximize my output, i will practice using what i have in the game. But as it is now, its better left alone. It forces players to get used to playing with each other and learning with each other instead of looking at some data and saying "Hey, you are not hitting your numbers." You guys make it sound like its a job. Its supposed to be fun.

[Deculture]

I can say with confidence that groups that are successfully clearing FCoB most likely have at least one player parsing in their group.

Like it or not, with the amount of DPS checks found in endgame (and it's even creeping into "casual" encounters - see: Odin), parsers are a necessity. They are a tool. Something that collects and displays data.

The people that are against information, especially information that's been readily available to one platform since the game has launched is just mind boggling even though it's a small minority going by this thread.

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And hopefully it'll stay VERY unlikely. We already have parsers we can use. For those on consoles, they have friends who use PCs that can parse them if they so choose.

MY concern is people wanting the devs to steer away from developing useful content that is for the game itself to develop something that we already have access to via other means. I'd rather the Devs keep making other new content for us and just let us use the tools we already have access to. It's already been proven time and again in this thread that EVERYONE already has access to parsing. People choose what platform they want to game on - if you choose to use a console and not a PC, then you choose to have your parsing done by the many PC friends you have in your FC that have PCs. Unless, of course, you are in that FC I keep seeing running around that only invites PS4 players. Talk about limiting yourselves there

The devs don't have to spend any time on making an in-house parser. They're already making the addon API public in Heavensward, so as long as players have access to the combat log then you'll start seeing player made parsers being made and thrown up.

[Synopsis29]

the biggest issue with external parsers is they use the chat log, which isnt always accurate. sometimes that log will fail to display numbers which are important for real accuracy which is why people are begging for an official one. many argue that these external parsers are fairly accurate but they can only be as accurate as the data they receive. the simulated dats is for the things they cannot get from the log like DoT spells.

I assume this is part of the reason Yoshi-P and crew are hesitant to release the API and we still don't have addons(ofcourse the addon thing could really have something to do with the PS3 memory limitations) because they don't want the makers of these external parsers to be able to get that accurate data.

I think the biggest issue i have is their reasoning behind not adding parsers.Elitist players are going to find other reasons to be elitist. it has happened well before parsers were a thing and will continue to happen. Basically we are denying a tool because of what 1 group of people may be with it. Regardless of the fact that those same group of people would do the same thing if the tool existed or not. Will literally have no baring on the actions they take.

[Wildsprite]

Like it or not, with the amount of DPS checks found in endgame (and it's even creeping into "casual" encounters - see: Odin), parsers are a necessity.

I call BS on this one. they are not now nor were they ever really a necessity. IF they really were the devs would have them in the game.
you can argue all the valid points you want in favor of parsers but this is not one of them.

[Dwill]

I call BS on this one. they are not now nor were they ever really a necessity. IF they really were the devs would have them in the game.
you can argue all the valid points you want in favor of parsers but this is not one of them.

Have fun doing Odin with people who can't meet the check because they want to "play their way" or people not meeting T8's check without full Echo.

[Nominous]

I call BS on this one. they are not now nor were they ever really a necessity. IF they really were the devs would have them in the game.
you can argue all the valid points you want in favor of parsers but this is not one of them.

It's possible to beat content without a parser, but it's putting self-imposed limits on yourself (and others) that don't need to be there. You don't need a speedometer in your car to know you're going too fast, or too slow on the freeway. Enjoy that speeding ticket though, when you thought you were doing okay, but didn't have an exact readout on your speed.

The same exact logic applies to end-game content. You don't need the meter there to have a general idea of if you're doing good or not. But having a parse on hand, while you're fighting, helps you make the necessary adjustments (using poison pots, or saving them if your raid DPS isn't on track) to actually beat a boss, instead of wipe to it. Do you get the point? It IS a necessity when it comes down to being a serious end-game player, and even as someone who's even taken a passing interest in getting into it.

Being educated about how well you're doing something is never a bad thing, and that's the root of why I don't think many pro-parser people understand the opposing arguments. It's not going to ruin anyone's fun (any more than it already does).

[Wildsprite]

Have fun doing Odin with people who can't meet the check because they want to "play their way" or people not meeting T8's check without full Echo.

I know pleanty of players who beat the DPS checks on things without parsers. want to know how? simply going in and learning what happens when.
your agrument is invalid.

It's possible to beat content without a parser, but it's putting self-imposed limits on yourself (and others) that don't need to be there. You don't need a speedometer in your car to know you're going too fast, or too slow on the freeway. Enjoy that speeding ticket though, when you thought you were doing okay, but didn't have an exact readout on your speed.

The same exact logic applies to end-game content. You don't need the meter there to have a general idea of if you're doing good or not. But having a parse on hand, while you're fighting, helps you make the necessary adjustments (using poison pots, or saving them if your raid DPS isn't on track) to actually beat a boss, instead of wipe to it. Do you get the point?

this is a game, the devs expect it to be played a certain way.
comparing this to driving a car is not a good argument. it is not legal to drive a car that has no spedometer in it for one thing. try again with something that might actually convince the devs of your argument because I assure you your comparison to a car most definitely will not.

[Dwill]

I know pleanty of players who beat the DPS checks on things without parsers. want to know how? simply going in and learning what happens when.
your agrument is invalid.

Anecdotal evidences are worthless. Your argument is invalid.

Fun game, isn't it ?

It's possible to beat content without a parser, but it's putting self-imposed limits on yourself (and others) that don't need to be there. You don't need a speedometer in your car to know you're going too fast, or too slow on the freeway. Enjoy that speeding ticket though, when you thought you were doing okay, but didn't have an exact readout on your speed.

The same exact logic applies to end-game content. You don't need the meter there to have a general idea of if you're doing good or not. But having a parse on hand, while you're fighting, helps you make the necessary adjustments (using poison pots, or saving them if your raid DPS isn't on track) to actually beat a boss, instead of wipe to it. Do you get the point?

Except some people will never improve because they see big numbers on a chain combo and literally only use that one chain with their buffs having terrible uptime but they still think they do good because big number once every so often.

[Wildsprite]

Anecdotal evidences are worthless. Your argument is invalid.

Fun game, isn't it ?

still nothing to prove that parsers are something the devs should put in.
you can keep going back and forth with examples of bad players all you want except guess what. a lot of them simply don't care to improve and no parser will help that. your examples are no better therefore your argument remains invalid.

my point is I want to see an argument that will make them think about it more than the personal parser on the striking dummies. till you give them a valid reason that will make them think they will stick to their stance.

I should make it clear that I'm not against parsers in game. I would rather not have ones that everyone can see their whole party results but then again if you can change the stance of the devs good on you.

[Dwill]

still nothing to prove that parsers are something the devs should put in.
you can keep going back and forth with examples of bad players all you want except guess what. a lot of them simply don't care to improve and no parser will help that. your examples are no better therefore your argument remains invalid.

my point is I want to see an argument that will make them think about it more than the personal parser on the striking dummies. till you give them a valid reason that will make them think they will stick to their stance.

There are plenty who do want to and want tools to help them. The certain special snowflakes who don't want to improve (which is their problem, not ours) shouldn't deny us these tools so that they can force their mediocrity upon us while they get carried from willingly not pulling their weight.