The Hunt Public Shaming Needs to end

[Izsha]

this is the community working together to try to build a working system for the benefit of everyone.

and this is the point you forget. Not everyone in the community agrees ot wants to be a part of this "community system." It's open world content. You cannot enforce a broad community idea of how hunts 'should' be hunted. People are free to choose not to be a part of you're utopian hunt world and you have to accept that their choice to ignore the majority in a fabricated system is JUST as valid as your choice to take part in it. You are simply no more right than a quick puller. There is no right and wrong in an arbitrarily created system that no one signed a contract to participate in.

[Lycelle]

Ah, the classic argument of "It was shitty once so it should be shitty FOREVER!"

Classic argument? I'm simply saying the way the community is now, they wouldn't have lasted one day in 11. That's all. You also can keep your personal insults to yourself since I don't care for them.

There's nothing wrong with taking down hunts silently. As far as I am concerned it's the correct way to do this. I'm sorry if you and 90% of Hyperion feel entitled to have your name plastered on every hunt and have it handed to you.

[RichardButte]

I don't think the issue would completely vanish by scaling the mob HP. It's a pretty good suggestion, but it's not a permanent solution. Nonetheless, a solution is better than nothing.

That's why I said "most".

If each mob took 2 minutes to kill (no matter the number of players), the only fault then would lie in players who need to get better hunt linkshells as everyone should have ample time to get there and get credit at that point.

Anyone complaining about early pulls would be told this as well.

[RichardButte]

Classic argument? I'm simply saying the way the community is now, they wouldn't have lasted one day in 11. That's all. You also can keep your personal insults to yourself since I don't care for them.

Are you ACTUALLY insisting that everyone else are worse players than you, and then complaining about being insulted personally in the same sentence?

That's gotta be breaking some kind of irony record...

I'm sorry if you and 90% of Hyperion feel entitled to have your name plastered on every hunt and have it handed to you.

"Name plastered on every hunt"? What the HELL are you talking about?

[Lycelle]

Are you ACTUALLY insisting that everyone else are worse players than you, and then complaining about being insulted personally in the same sentence?

That's gotta be breaking some kind of irony record...



"Name plastered on every hunt"? What the HELL are you talking about?

You seem to be swinging with the majority of when a hunt is called you should wait for over half the server to show up because they say, "Wait." If I told you to jump off a bridge would you jump? Unless of course your argument is pointing in a different direction then I will pull my statement entirely and apologize.

[NyarukoW]

and this is the point you forget. Not everyone in the community agrees ot wants to be a part of this "community system."....

If they don't want to part of the system they will be blacklisted. If they continue make trouble for everyone else on the serve their reputation as the early pulling troll will be well deserved.

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There is no right and wrong in an arbitrarily created system that no one signed a contract to participate in.
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If you wanted to word that way, then lets point out that all laws or legal system are arbitrary and no one born into this world signing into any contract with agreement to any of those laws. And as current events would have it, ISIS create refuse to go along with the arbitrary laws that the rest of the world is trying to adhere to for the most part, but like the Somali pirates, you know how it will play out eventually. And laws don't delineate right and wrong or morality, it is just an agreement to negotiate competing interests from competing powers.

So at the very least early pulling trolls can not expect people to be silent about their bad behavior, and coming here to forums to tell people to be quiet about it is a non-starter (a.k.a. this thread title "The Hunt Public Shaming need to end"). Verbal harassment can be reported to the GMs and is actionable by the GMS. But just simply saying "<player X> has early pulled please blacklist" is not harassment nor is it against the rules. Nor is it against the rules to say "hold the fire let the early puller <player X> die and do not res." And if the hunt LS and hunt groups are disciplined, they would know better to than to attack before the pull time, and they will see the corpse of <player X> on the ground, with cheer all around. And believe you me, I've seen this happen on more than one occasion, but it seems a new troll has to learn this the hard way every once in a while. If the early puller troll feels ashamed, that is because they still have some good sense in them to know that screwing with others for lulz is not right.

[Thayos]

Um....that's more or less exactly what I have been saying...

I know! Just trying to help clear up any confusion others may be having.

[Kosmos992k]

**snip of irrelevant conflation of issues and terrorist groups....**
Verbal harassment can be reported to the GMs and is actionable by the GMS. But just simply saying "<player X> has early pulled please blacklist" is not harassment nor is it against the rules. Nor is it against the rules to say "hold the fire let the early puller <player X> die and do not res."

Actually, I'm almost certain that inciting others to blacklist another player would constitute actionable harassment. I'm also of the opinion that your instruction to other to allow a player to die and not be resurrected by anyone could also be considered harassment. Obviously, that would depend on the GM's judgement of the situation - as is always the case...

I know! Just trying to help clear up any confusion others may be having.

NP, you put it way more succinctly than I could.

[NyarukoW]

....Actually, I'm almost certain that inciting others to blacklist another player would constitute actionable harassment. I'm also of the opinion that your instruction to other to allow a player to die and not be resurrected by anyone could also be considered harassment....

It is some really twisted terminology you are going by. When we blacklist the early pulling troll that is harassing the rest of us all at once, we are not calling him names, badgering him, or stalking them. We are just doing what we can to avoid them. And no player, healer, SMN, or otherwise (people shouldn't have to waste their gil on phoenix down for the trouble maker) is ever obligated to res anyone, on what grounds can that ever be harassment. It is actually because the res of us are usually too nice and too eager to res, and made habit out of it that we have alert ourselves in this case. Seems like you are grasping at straws there.

**... terrorist groups....**

FYI, playing the devil advocate roll you like so much, not that I agree with them, but they would dispute your name calling of them as such, because they claim to the a new state as S isn iSis. They are just claiming they have the right to exist.

[Kosmos992k]

It is some really twisted terminology you are going by.

No, look. Please understand this. There is no twisted terminology here, it's very simple. If you incite others to blacklist a specific player, you are in fact harassing that player - regardless of what you believe they have done. If you talk privately to your friends and suggest everyone blacklist the offender, that's a private discussion, but if you put that discussion on a public chat, you are effectively asking to be reported. The same goes for suggesting that the perceived wrong-doer not be raised.

Stop assuming that I am somehow trying to attack your every word. I'm simply pointing out that both of these things would be something that someone could very legitimately complain about to a GM if they happened on a public chat channel, and may be actionable.

I am almost 100% certain that publicly inciting others to blacklist a specific player would be both reportable and actionable if it happened in-game. But, you know what, ignore my advice, or not, it really doesn't bother me at all.