The Hunt Public Shaming Needs to end

[RichardButte]

I think it's weird that people think everyone can get credit.

Why do you think it's weird when it's completely possible and actually quite easy? 1 tank or Titan in your party and you'll get full credit. I routinely get full A-rank credit solo as a summoner.

since I'm an 11 Player.

Ah, the classic argument of "It was shitty once so it should be shitty FOREVER!"

While we're at it, let's go back to horse-drawn carriages and do all our laundry by hand! Then, let's ignore the fact that other games with identical situations already have mechanics that fixes this issue!

And seriously, why are all the greedy, uncaring jerks lalafells?! Stop bringing shame on our people!!!!

I know Lalas are greedy in game, but you can stop RPing any time now.... :P

All I hear when I read these posts is, "Even though other players went out of their way to inform me of this mob's location so I could get credit for it, I will give absolutely none of that consideration back in return."

[Welsper59]

Why do you think it's weird when it's completely possible and actually quite easy? 1 tank or Titan in your party and you'll get full credit. I routinely get full A-rank credit solo as a summoner.

Either lying or doing them during times when the server is at low pop. If you can get full credit on an A rank that dies in about 10-15sec while solo, even as a tank or SMN, you're doing something that no one else can.

I know Lalas are greedy in game, but you can stop RPing any time now.... :P

Gotta agree with you on this one from what Lycelle said.

I don't ever announce hunts. Like, at all. I don't care about early pullers since I'm an 11 Player. People camped the hell out of NMs back in 11 and if you told them to wait while you get there they'd tell you to piss off and kill it. Which is why I find it funny that the player base in 14 can't handle the way hunts function, they damn sure wouldn't be able to handle it in 11 where lottery spawns existed and 3-5 day spawn windows were a thing. That's how I am unfortunately. If I see a hunt mob I will switch to Summoner and solo it on Titan Egi. If you show up and help? Good for you. Hunts are not meant to be shared publicly, like at all. It defeats the purpose of "The hunt." You are to go out with a small group and are to take the mob down for yourselves, not the entire server. Facepullers don't bother me because they end up dying and we just leave them on the floor anyways.

In FFXI, there was no shared credit due to inability to attack other players' targets and credit/drops only went to the people that claimed. In this game, the claim is shared regardless of who hit it first, meaning it is indeed intended to be shared with others if people choose to do so. How you choose to share a shareable target is up to the players. The hunt is not a solo/exclusive activity, nor is the general definition of "hunt" exclusive to one individual (or a small collective of people). Why you would think it is is... funny, to say the least. Again, it's your call to take unnecessary efforts to keep a target all hush hush, but you are 100% wrong to think your way is the one and only way The Hunt is to be done. All evidence points to you being wrong in thinking that, afterall.

As a side note, I'm not implying that the zergfest it is now is (and also was) how it's intended to be. Yoshi-P himself repeatedly stated how The Hunt was designed and the intended method of play it was to be used as.

[RichardButte]

Either lying or...

Not sure what to tell you...

With 30-40 groups, I've earned full credit solo with titan LOTS of times.

Sure, 50+ it can get dodgy, but the point I'm trying to make is that 1 tank +1 healer + any number of DPS will get full credit unless one of the aforementioned is playing horrendously.

The fact of the matter is...

Do you not understand that there are people on the high pop servers that pull early just to troll the people who didn't get there in time?

Do you not understand that these people are using GuildWorks, a paid 3rd party program that gives a decisive advantage in finding hunt mobs early?

This isn't just an "Oh well, you can't make every hunt!" issue. It's the fact that players are literally doing this to spite other players...

[Welsper59]

Not sure what to tell you...

With 30-40 groups, I've earned full credit solo with titan LOTS of times.

Sure, 50+ it can get dodgy, but the point I'm trying to make is that 1 tank +1 healer + any number of DPS will get full credit unless one of the aforementioned is playing horrendously.

Your group mention wasn't what I was referring to. That, I easily agree with you on. It was you mentioning that you routinely get full credit with Titan as a SMN while solo that I was replying about. I find that exceptionally difficult to believe even if the mob were to live for 20 seconds (33% more time than the average during heavy server population hours for most of us). I can see half credit (maybe a little more) as a tank or with Titan, but not full. During the offhours however, I can definitely see it possible.

[RichardButte]

Your group mention wasn't what I was referring to. That, I easily agree with you on. It was you mentioning that you routinely get full credit with Titan as a SMN while solo that I was replying about. I find that exceptionally difficult to believe even if the mob were to live for 20 seconds (33% more time than the average during heavy server population hours for most of us). During the offhours however, I can definitely see it possible.

Like I said, I've done it many times. I think it helps tremendously if you can use the ultimate attack as it grabs tons of aggro.

[Welsper59]

Like I said, I've done it many times. I think it helps tremendously if you can use the ultimate attack as it grabs tons of aggro.

I've not done it with Titan, but I've attempted credit as a PLD and WAR solo. The game may treat the pet and player combo enmity build differently when it comes to hunt credit, compared to straight up threat building by a single source (like a tank or healer). Maybe I'll give Titan a try sometime to see how it goes. As is that's why, it is pretty much impossible with other jobs to get full credit (solo) at the speed hunt targets die (10-15sec) when the server is at high pop and full of people doing hunts.

[LunaHoshino]

Do you not understand that there are people on the high pop servers that pull early just to troll the people who didn't get there in time?

Do you not understand that these people are using GuildWorks, a paid 3rd party program that gives a decisive advantage in finding hunt mobs early?

This isn't just an "Oh well, you can't make every hunt!" issue. It's the fact that players are literally doing this to spite other players...

You're making an awful lot of assumptions there. How do you know all of these things? Do they announce that they are trolling or using Guildworks? Because if not, I don't see how you can be so sure that that's the case.

I'm on a high pop server with a very active hunting LS. Most of the hunts here are found by people who made a hunt party and went out to look for the mark, then announced it to the LS when they found it. I know this because I've been in the hunt parties who were out looking. I'm sure there are some people who do cheat, but I very much doubt it's the majority of them.

[Mutemutt]

Why do you think it's weird when it's completely possible and actually quite easy? 1 tank or Titan in your party and you'll get full credit. I routinely get full A-rank credit solo as a summoner.

Because it's the exact opposite of my own experience, obviously. Not that I expect you to actually care, contrary to all the talk of being considerate.

[RichardButte]

Because it's the exact opposite of my own experience, obviously. Not that I expect you to actually care, contrary to all the talk of being considerate.

If it's the opposite of your experience, then you probably don't have a big enough party or enough tanks/SMNs in it.

I've run up to a hunt mob at the last moment and thrown a DoT on it just as I was invited to a party that had been fighting it and gotten full credit. Really, it's ALL about how much aggro your party has at the time of death, and I've seen 70+ groups of players melt a hunt mob with no complaints of not getting full credit (and people WILL complain when they don't get full credit).

Again, just be in a full party and you should be fine. It's still no reason to pull early.

[Mutemutt]

I've run up to a hunt mob at the last moment and thrown a DoT on it just as I was invited to a party that had been fighting it and gotten full credit. Really, it's ALL about how much aggro your party has at the time of death, and I've seen 70+ groups of players melt a hunt mob with no complaints of not getting full credit (and people WILL complain when they don't get full credit).

Yes, I did these with full parties. And I rarely see people complain in shout about not getting full credit... well, except for all the early pull complaints. Besides that though, I've also seen plenty of complaints in fc chat, party chats (obvious) and even random linkshells.

You can keep saying "you should be fine", but that doesn't change the reality. It's great that waiting the entire server to arrive works for you, it doesn't for me. Why should I do that when it works against me?