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    Quote Originally Posted by Amelia_Pond_Behemoth View Post
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    I think it was more to how Kosmos worded their post that made the implications. Again, the way their post was worded implies as such with the use of 'confirmed' repeatedly. There was no formal claim, but I can see why Nyaruko would think so. It was more akin to this statement;

    Quote Originally Posted by Kosmos992k View Post
    I simply repeated what has been posted on this forum by the GM/Community managers.
    Which contradicts what the GMs and CMs have actually mentioned in previous topics. Then again, I'd rather not be a part of this argument between these two, so I'll just leave them be.

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    Anyway, with that aside, shaming players is considered harassment, but then again, the reason for the shaming stems from a bad impression on said person. Ever since hunts became relevant again, people are fighting with one another again as they did before when hunts were first released albeit more chaotic than before. Pulling early simply does not exist because that would mean attacking the mob that has yet to even spawn, however, pulling quickly is the term that should be used instead. It's a misunderstanding. Early and Quickly both have completely different meanings. This is simply in context to how it's being used in this topic.

    Yet, players still cling to 'early pulling'. It's probably from their own perspective since they do not know if a hunt has been found until someone announces it. I've noticed a trend lately that a lot of players do not call out whether a mark has been found or not. Strictly, this only applies to those who want to keep things as organised as possible so that more people can obtain seals rather than just a small group. It's based on perspective. You see someone call out a mark, and you assume it's just found. Turns out, the mark was found five minutes ago and has been already killed. They were just unfortunate to get the information long after the mark was actually killed. Hence why 'early pulling' does exist in the context of differing perspectives.

    What I mean by that is that this implies the level of patience is pretty low for a lot of players. Which is why players are more inclined to harass other players when something doesn't go their way. Sure, pulling quickly is not completely punishable per say, but in the quote from the other topic, the GM does state that, "... And because nothing is black and white, this does not mean that pulling the hunt mark will not result in a grief tactics violation. The circumstances that would cause it are rarer, but not impossible. A GM would make that determination after investigating a report on potential grief tactics," following that they encourage players to wait to give more players a chance at the goodies as well, "As in several of my posts, as a player, I appreciate the players who can get people to wait a bit to give more people a chance to participate."

    tl;dr

    Personally, I do think that player shaming is pretty unethical no matter what content it stems from. You win some, you lose some. The mark will spawn again eventually. There's literally no rush! It's not like the rewards you get from hunting are going to suddenly magically disappear.
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    Last edited by AdamFyi; 01-29-2015 at 06:39 PM.