The Hunt Public Shaming Needs to end

[Stihllodeing]

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It's not against the rules, confirmed by the GMs. Deal...with...it.

Nor is it against the rules to blacklist the early pulling trolls and drive their FC off the server. If you and your FC earns such a bad reputation, good luck to you. Deal with it.

Putting up a thread telling people to be quiet and suffer from the antics of early puller is non-starter. People have the freedom of speech and as collective people can act and do what they need to protect their LS and keep the hunts running well and keeping people civil.

Nor would anyone say anything as stupid as "blacklisting early pullers" is against the ToS Agreement. I also said (cuz you can't read) I don't like early pullers.

And about being civil...just lol. Kosmos was more than civil with you, and what did you do? Put a load of words in their mouth, claimed that they were claiming to "act as a GM" (lol), and talked down to them. They even asked you politely stop. SO, if you continue to act like an ass on the foums and people decide to blacklist you and drive you from the forum, good luck to you. Deal with it.

They did claim to be the GM with all this so call "confirmed by GMs" when no such thing happened. And they want me to stop so I have to be quiet because of what? They only want their one sided story to provide cover for the trolls to behave badly. I've not cussed at anyone or called anyone names like you've just done. They can choose to filter me out all they want. But evidence and facts of the posts will remain and speak for themselves.

You're right, the posts will speak for themselves. Kosmos never said they were a GM and never gave the indication they wanted to provide "cover" (lmao). And if you think the GMs have not confirmed early pulling is NOT a violation of the ToS, you are in denial.

[MirielleLavandre]

Lol - such a long thread but I think I see what Kosmos is saying and people are missing - it really IS all about how a person acts that will determine if someone is punished by a GM. For example:
Player 1's party sees S rank and people waiting to pull, pulls it with his party without saying anything, kills it = no GM action because no harassing or griefing behavior by player 1's party.
Player 2's party sees S rank and people waiting to pull, says "God you're all idiots waiting like lemmings - suck it!", pulls and kills the mob = Possible GM action because player 2 said something to insult others and was harassing in nature.

In both instances, the ACTION OF PULLING wasn't "illegal" or bad - the only difference is that Player 2 said/did something that may be constituted as harassment or griefing according to the ToS.

It doesn't seem that hard to understand...

[NyarukoW]

It's not against the rules, confirmed by the GMs. Deal...with...it.

Nor is it against the rules to blacklist the early pulling trolls and drive their FC off the server. If you and your FC earns such a bad reputation, good luck to you. You made your bed, you sleep in it. Deal with it.

Putting up a thread telling people to be quiet and suffer from the antics of early puller is non-starter. People have the freedom of speech and as collective people can act and do what they need to protect their LS and keep the hunts running well and keeping people civil. The one thing the early pulling trolls fear is the people working together communicating and identifying them and working to counter the early pull griefing for lulz.

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... Calling out abusiveness at the player/party who pulls IS reportable, as is if the puller shouts abuse back. ...

Obviously you don't read, and numerous times I've said that verbal abuse should be reported. Identifying the early puller and blacklisting them however is not verbal abuse nor is it verbal abuse to communicate to everyone a the hunt who the early puller is.

[LaylaTsarra]

Personally I've given up on hunts. Not worth the time to me to run to a hunt location to have had the mark already pulled and killed. Two S ranks today with 20 or more people running to the location to find it at 10 percent or already dead. I don't need carbon twine that badly and I suspect they'll add it to drops at dungeon locations soon enough.

[NyarukoW]

... claimed that they were claiming to "act as a GM" (lol), and talked down to them. ....

They did claim to be the GM with all this so call "confirmed by GMs" when no such thing happened. And they want me to stop so I have to be quiet because of what? They only want their one sided story to provide cover for the trolls to behave badly.

...SO, if you continue to act like an ass on the foums and people decide to blacklist you and drive you from the forum, good luck to you. Deal with it.

I've not cussed at anyone or called anyone names like you've just done. They can choose to filter me out all they want. But evidence and facts of the posts will remain and speak for themselves.

[RichardButte]

Read what I said

The problem goes further than that.

The hunt system is iffy at best. Now, no one is questioning that Yoshi-P is an amazing developer, but he makes mistakes like anyone (and he has a right to).

Here, the mistake was gating the mark logs behind allied seals, the only way to upgrade 120 gear to 130, and leaving hunts as the ONLY real method of acquiring allied seals.

Whatever hunts may have been intended to be, they aren't right now. Were they supposed to be the sole means of progress for the entire server? Can't imagine that's working as intended.

Rather than revamping the hunt system, the simplest solution is to scale mob HP depending upon the number of players (already happening in WoW).

If it took 2 mins to burn down a hunt mob, no matter how many players are killing it, then this wouldn't be an issue at all. We wouldn't even be having this discussion because 2 minutes is AMPLE time for someone to get there to fight it.

[RichardButte]

Because it's the exact opposite of my own experience, obviously. Not that I expect you to actually care, contrary to all the talk of being considerate.

If it's the opposite of your experience, then you probably don't have a big enough party or enough tanks/SMNs in it.

I've run up to a hunt mob at the last moment and thrown a DoT on it just as I was invited to a party that had been fighting it and gotten full credit. Really, it's ALL about how much aggro your party has at the time of death, and I've seen 70+ groups of players melt a hunt mob with no complaints of not getting full credit (and people WILL complain when they don't get full credit).

Again, just be in a full party and you should be fine. It's still no reason to pull early.

[Mutemutt]

I've run up to a hunt mob at the last moment and thrown a DoT on it just as I was invited to a party that had been fighting it and gotten full credit. Really, it's ALL about how much aggro your party has at the time of death, and I've seen 70+ groups of players melt a hunt mob with no complaints of not getting full credit (and people WILL complain when they don't get full credit).

Yes, I did these with full parties. And I rarely see people complain in shout about not getting full credit... well, except for all the early pull complaints. Besides that though, I've also seen plenty of complaints in fc chat, party chats (obvious) and even random linkshells.

You can keep saying "you should be fine", but that doesn't change the reality. It's great that waiting the entire server to arrive works for you, it doesn't for me. Why should I do that when it works against me?

[RichardButte]

but that doesn't change the reality.

The reality is that, if you cannot get full credit even after you and your party were there from the very beginning, you're not pulling enough threat, and it is EASY to pull enough threat.

You're on Brynhildr, which is open to character creation right the hell now (EST primetime).

I'm on Hyperion, probably the most populated NA server. Good luck getting a character created on here at any time except 7 AM EST.

If I can get full credit with my party in a group of 70+ players melting a hunt mob in 15 seconds and you CANNOT on your drastically lower pop server, then I think it's safe to say the problem is on your end.

[RichardButte]

It's great that waiting the entire server to arrive works for you

Waiting an extra 60 seconds ≠ waiting for the entire server. Stop exaggerating.

Why should I do that when it works against me?

Because

A) This problem could be rectified by learning to play

and

B) Being labeled as an early puller will work even further against you, as it should.