The Hunt Public Shaming Needs to end

[Snugglebutt]

Nor is it against the rules to blacklist the early pulling trolls and drive their FC off the server. If you and your FC earns such a bad reputation, good luck to you. You made your bed, you sleep in it. Deal with it.

How can you be so ignorant or perhaps naive? Do you even know what the word harassment means? What gets me however is how hypocritical you are, when comes to dungeons, raids and other instances where there is evidence of mob rule harassment such as speed runs, vote kick abuse based on majorities forcing minorities to conform to non-GM and non-SE stated rules/guidelines in for example DF parties aka just some player/group decided rules...you whine about such occurrences yet here you are actively and forcefully trying to justify mob rule harassment with hunts.

[NyarukoW]

... forcing minorities to conform to non-GM and non-SE stated rules/guidelines in for example DF parties aka just some player/group decided rules...you whine about such occurrences yet here you are actively and forcefully trying to justify mob rule harassment with hunts.

Call them "minorities" if you want whitewash the fact that they are, or rather usually a singular is the disruptive troll(s) detrimental to game play for everyone else on the server. And this is not mob rule like the way you wish to misrepresent, this is the community working together to try to build a working system for the benefit of everyone. No one is being excluded from the participating in the hunts or get the hunt rewards. But the early pulling troll dies and no one else shoots and they refuse to res the troll and that is plain obvious evidence of who the troll is. Only those who so preoccupied in defending the trolls right to grief everyone else trying to use the letter or law (in this rules) in attempting delineate between where the "flesh start and with a drop of blood" will resort to labeling the community that is trying to bring everyone together as mob rule.

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Bull-crap. ....The posts in the topic I linked to are quite clear ....

The only problem is the link you provide is about as clear as mud. It was 43 pages of back and forth with nothing being so called "confirmed" , much less "confirmed by GMs".

[Kosmos992k]

The only problem is the link you provide is about as clear as mud. It was 43 pages of back and forth with nothing being so called "confirmed" , much less "confirmed by GMs".

I believe that you are incorrect. The GM made detailed responses in the topic I linked in order to clarify specific points.

[Izsha]

this is the community working together to try to build a working system for the benefit of everyone.

and this is the point you forget. Not everyone in the community agrees ot wants to be a part of this "community system." It's open world content. You cannot enforce a broad community idea of how hunts 'should' be hunted. People are free to choose not to be a part of you're utopian hunt world and you have to accept that their choice to ignore the majority in a fabricated system is JUST as valid as your choice to take part in it. You are simply no more right than a quick puller. There is no right and wrong in an arbitrarily created system that no one signed a contract to participate in.

[NyarukoW]

and this is the point you forget. Not everyone in the community agrees ot wants to be a part of this "community system."....

If they don't want to part of the system they will be blacklisted. If they continue make trouble for everyone else on the serve their reputation as the early pulling troll will be well deserved.

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There is no right and wrong in an arbitrarily created system that no one signed a contract to participate in.
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If you wanted to word that way, then lets point out that all laws or legal system are arbitrary and no one born into this world signing into any contract with agreement to any of those laws. And as current events would have it, ISIS create refuse to go along with the arbitrary laws that the rest of the world is trying to adhere to for the most part, but like the Somali pirates, you know how it will play out eventually. And laws don't delineate right and wrong or morality, it is just an agreement to negotiate competing interests from competing powers.

So at the very least early pulling trolls can not expect people to be silent about their bad behavior, and coming here to forums to tell people to be quiet about it is a non-starter (a.k.a. this thread title "The Hunt Public Shaming need to end"). Verbal harassment can be reported to the GMs and is actionable by the GMS. But just simply saying "<player X> has early pulled please blacklist" is not harassment nor is it against the rules. Nor is it against the rules to say "hold the fire let the early puller <player X> die and do not res." And if the hunt LS and hunt groups are disciplined, they would know better to than to attack before the pull time, and they will see the corpse of <player X> on the ground, with cheer all around. And believe you me, I've seen this happen on more than one occasion, but it seems a new troll has to learn this the hard way every once in a while. If the early puller troll feels ashamed, that is because they still have some good sense in them to know that screwing with others for lulz is not right.

[Kosmos992k]

**snip of irrelevant conflation of issues and terrorist groups....**
Verbal harassment can be reported to the GMs and is actionable by the GMS. But just simply saying "<player X> has early pulled please blacklist" is not harassment nor is it against the rules. Nor is it against the rules to say "hold the fire let the early puller <player X> die and do not res."

Actually, I'm almost certain that inciting others to blacklist another player would constitute actionable harassment. I'm also of the opinion that your instruction to other to allow a player to die and not be resurrected by anyone could also be considered harassment. Obviously, that would depend on the GM's judgement of the situation - as is always the case...

I know! Just trying to help clear up any confusion others may be having.

NP, you put it way more succinctly than I could.

[NyarukoW]

....Actually, I'm almost certain that inciting others to blacklist another player would constitute actionable harassment. I'm also of the opinion that your instruction to other to allow a player to die and not be resurrected by anyone could also be considered harassment....

It is some really twisted terminology you are going by. When we blacklist the early pulling troll that is harassing the rest of us all at once, we are not calling him names, badgering him, or stalking them. We are just doing what we can to avoid them. And no player, healer, SMN, or otherwise (people shouldn't have to waste their gil on phoenix down for the trouble maker) is ever obligated to res anyone, on what grounds can that ever be harassment. It is actually because the res of us are usually too nice and too eager to res, and made habit out of it that we have alert ourselves in this case. Seems like you are grasping at straws there.

**... terrorist groups....**

FYI, playing the devil advocate roll you like so much, not that I agree with them, but they would dispute your name calling of them as such, because they claim to the a new state as S isn iSis. They are just claiming they have the right to exist.

[Kosmos992k]

It is some really twisted terminology you are going by.

No, look. Please understand this. There is no twisted terminology here, it's very simple. If you incite others to blacklist a specific player, you are in fact harassing that player - regardless of what you believe they have done. If you talk privately to your friends and suggest everyone blacklist the offender, that's a private discussion, but if you put that discussion on a public chat, you are effectively asking to be reported. The same goes for suggesting that the perceived wrong-doer not be raised.

Stop assuming that I am somehow trying to attack your every word. I'm simply pointing out that both of these things would be something that someone could very legitimately complain about to a GM if they happened on a public chat channel, and may be actionable.

I am almost 100% certain that publicly inciting others to blacklist a specific player would be both reportable and actionable if it happened in-game. But, you know what, ignore my advice, or not, it really doesn't bother me at all.