Is pre-buffing neccessary?

[aisustrong]

I do agree that there are tons of SCHs who don't do the dexterous multitasking thing well at all, ie. if they go Cleric Stance-mode, they can only do that like a robot but can't react to the healing required and other ever-changing variables on the battlefield. Similarly, there are also SCHs who can only do decent when it comes to their healing game but suck at their DPS-game. Now, we could get into an argument about whether healers "should" DPS or not, but instead of going there, I am just gonna say that if I am gonna commend a SCH, I always give it to the person who balances their healing game and DPS-game well at the required level.

i said nothing about healers that dps
im perfectly fine with a healer dealing damage, as long as it doesnt get in the way of them keeping everyone alive
ive seen plenty that just stand there
literally just stand there and do nothing with eos on auto

[ExiledOne]

question about Succor. (I'm new to SCH)
Succor creates barrier which nullifies same damage as was healed, but if the HP bars were full then no heal took place, so can it really be considered a pre-buff?

[Tranquil]

i said nothing about healers that dps
im perfectly fine with a healer dealing damage, as long as it doesnt get in the way of them keeping everyone alive
ive seen plenty that just stand there
literally just stand there and do nothing with eos on auto

Aight, that assessment I certainly can agree with, the quotation was mostly referring to the guy who you quoted (who mentioned "lazy healers who DPS"). You can see it's a new scholar or just a bad scholar when you see those auto-Eos guys, when the fairy blows everything on engaging.

@ExiledOne: the heal still happens, so even if a HP bar doesn't go up by the corresponding amount - it will still shield the people hit by it by the same numerical value. Ie. if you do a 500 Succor on a full HP bar - the person getting hit by some damage while Galvanize is up will have 500 damage chipped off of the full damage.

[Coldheart]

Pre-buffing isn't mandatory in most boss fights, but advisable. I always pre-buff the whole party whenever possible.

[Kazumac]

question about Succor. (I'm new to SCH)
Succor creates barrier which nullifies same damage as was healed, but if the HP bars were full then no heal took place, so can it really be considered a pre-buff?

The heal applies and so does the shield even if they are full health. I abuse the crap out of succor when I SCH. If it content that has lots of AOE or splash damage I like to make sure everyone has a little green next to thier health bar. And if you know a hit is coming but peeps are at full health you should cast that succor.

Also while I hardly cast heals from my SCH during 4 man content... I micro the shit out of my fairy and use my buffs... So I am not directly healing but my fairy isn't usually on auto pilot. Seeing Eos on auto by another SCH makes me cringe ><

[Zedd702]

Sounds absurd to me if you guys are referring to most of the pugged content in this game (ie. content with very little or infrequent AOE-healing required, and or the groups overgearing the content by a mile).

Gah! Nothing upsets me more than someone to take part of my post and totally flip it as if I am stating that the whole flippin community is like this. Friggin read, BEFORE you try to make me the villain in the thread. If you ACTUALLY READ my post, you'd have seen that I was ONLY referring to a specific group of people. I don't need a lecture of how a SCH should perform, I am aware that there are many great SCH's, but there are just as many or more that are far worse.../endrant

As I said, I was just stating that most SCH's I run into (and to be more clear) in both low and high level dungeons that do not prebuff before boss fights and do not do much after the initial buff at the beginning of the dungeon, but all they do is let the fairy heal.

I ran Brayflox HM yesterday, SCH let me die 5 times because he mindlessly DPS (no it was not a speed run as I tested it with a 2 mob pull and the SCH could not handle that, so I decided this is a normal run).

I also ran WP HM (awesome dungeon btw), samething: SCH let pet heal and I died twice in the first boss fight, because SCH DPS'd in CS and did not use Adloquium or Physick one time during that encounter. We voted him off the team. He got replaced by another SCH who practically remained in CS though he did cast Adloquium and Physick, I still died (and I think you have a pretty good idea why).

Sorry if the first portion of my post comes off as harsh, I'm just really tired of people reading what they want to read instead of the whole post so that ALL of it would make more sense, before they replied.

[Tranquil]

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I read your whole post. In it, you state that SCHs who don't pre-buff beyond the first Protect/Stoneskin/Succor don't even get a glimpse of your commendation. In it, your wording makes it appear as if you were insuniating that it is somehow bad if a SCH is DPSing all the time, while keeping their tabs on the heals as necessary, which in most pugged content (4-mans especially) - yes - only means relying on the "pocket fairy" to heal and keeping the tank up. You insuniate that this is bad play. In these scenarios, the pre-buffing has been done at a required level, but it sounds as if something was missing, even when the tank is living and no problems arise.

In no part of your post did you mention anything about these kind of instances leading to a player's death (which you did in your latter post, now, whilst basically telling me I am suffering from dyslexia in the most gentle of manners). When a player sits in Cleric Stance whilst keeping tabs on their healing-game, everything is going perfectly. That is good gameplay. When someone sits in Cleric Stance and you have tank deaths, that is lazy and bad gameplay. So yes, I would agree with your assessment of those SCHs you mentioned in your latter post being terrible and playing badly. :') That being said, the implications behind your first post discussing this issue were not like that. I guess you could one-up your wording rather than calling people dyslexic, if this kind of thing tends to happen to you often.

[Zedd702]

I read your whole post. In it, your wording makes it appear as if you were insuniating that it is somehow bad if a SCH is DPSing all the time, while keeping their tabs on the heals as necessary, which in most pugged content (4-mans especially) You insuniate that this is bad play.

Please point out where I insinuate what you are stating above... Do note that the underlined part of the quote was not mentioned in my post you quoted, that is called flavor text for trying to make an arguement on your behalf favorable to you. I never said this is my post.... I quoted what I said as a quick referrence below and with it underlined the key words, which indicate that I did not state what you said above.

As for the commendations, I give mine to the one that does the best in their job class... There have been some instances I've not given any and others where I wish I had 3-7 commends to give because the team was just that awesome, but I often find that most of the SCH's I run into are very horrible, with lazy healing/buffing. They don't do much past the first Protect/SS/Succor other than heal the tank, they just DPS and rely on the pocket fairy to heal. Those types of SCH's don't even get to glimpse at my commendation...

I guess you could one-up your wording rather than calling people dyslexic, if this kind of thing tends to happen to you often.

Also, please quote where I actually called you dyslexic.

And on that note I request that you stop putting words in my mouth... If I want to call you dyslexic, I will, but that was not my intent.

[Tranquil]

I was really close to adding a "inb4 he asks me where he called me dyslexic" -part to my post but I couldn't be bothered. When you capitalize and underline words in such a way that emphasizes on the need to actually read the post, it makes it seem as if you're telling me I didn't either read the post or then I am unable to grasp what is being said. I am having some personal fun here, don't mind it. Also, self-shaming is fun once in a while. Point being, I did read your post.

Okay, unnecessary shit-posting aside, I will stand by my point, and if your point somehow deviated from what was understood by me - then cool that you're clearing it up. You said: "They don't do much past the first Protect/SS/Succor other than heal the tank, they just DPS and rely on the pocket fairy to heal.". This to me sounded like it was somehow not enough that the tank was being healed and the healer was resuming DPSing when that part of their duties were taken care of. It does not give away any hints about the tank's condition being bad etc., which is something your latter post addressed. That kind of post's scenario (tank deaths happening) is something I would agree with you on.

[Zedd702]

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Ha! I don't mind BSing etc... as long as it is made apparent and you're not being a troll, so that part is all good.

This part: "They don't do much past the first Protect/SS/Succor other than heal the tank, they just DPS and rely on the pocket fairy to heal." was in addition to the previous sentence, which is what I was trying to say. It was a combination of both elements. But we're good...

*throws pie at Tranquil*