The Hunt Public Shaming Needs to end

[aisustrong]

( Not Denying that there are people out there doing it with the Intent on Being Dicks ) Hell I've seen Vogaal Ja Vanish like 5 times due to the clusterfuck that is the server spamming skills...and I damn well know that dude don't have a skill that causes it to Vanish. I've missed hunts because my comp would spike, with the Hunt still there and everyone frozen, then like 25-30 seconds later the HP Bar just vanishing, everyone speeding around (Game catching up) Moving to the Next Hunt. But nooooooo No one considers it (among the other reasons it can be). It's always viewing one side without viewing the other which isn't too surprising. People ask other people to be considerate without being considerate themselves...who would have thought >.>

except I've always waited at least 2 minutes before pulling
or a group of like 70, whichever comes first

and no, I've never called someone out by name for pulling early

[Ashkendor]

If that's happening reconsider how you play your job, because honestly this shouldn't be an issue in a party over 5 people.

Or maybe people should reconsider what class they hunt on. The way it is now, DPS classes are just about useless in hunt parties. They generate the most damage and the least amount of aggro, so the mob dies faster and they get less credit for it overall. I've actually seen hunt parties specifying tank/whm only (yeah no love even for sch).

But then by that logic i can turn around and say that Pulling early is griefing other players, as it is making one aspect of the game not enjoyable and unplayable for them. Not everyone has fibre optic broadband and SSDs(even then i load faster then people with them)

When a hunt is called the area gets laggy, and loads take time..Also most people seem to have a habit of calling it out then pulling so its either dead or half dead when you get there.

If I find a hunt mob, nothing says I have to wait till the 500 man zergmurderfest gets to me to start. I'm sorry, but my play experience doesn't go at the speed of PS3. If you don't like the long load times, then upgrade.

[aisustrong]

Or maybe people should reconsider what class they hunt on. The way it is now, DPS classes are just about useless in hunt parties. They generate the most damage and the least amount of aggro, so the mob dies faster and they get less credit for it overall. I've actually seen hunt parties specifying tank/whm only (yeah no love even for sch).

I'm wondering about this whole enmity thing, because back when I first hit 50 on my war, I would still get full credit just from 1 heavy swing and 1 combo'd skull sunder, and that was back when I had like i56 and defiance off

that was back in 2.3 when most everyone was at least i88

[Yukiko]

There is a big difference between HDD and SSD...
Not only spawn time, also teleport time, so you are suggesting us to force upgrade our computers just to get to the location faster?
Life is not fair, but you should not argument like this...

Isnt gaming some sort of enjoyment?

[Ashkendor]

The difference between HDD and SSD is a lot...
Not only spawn time, also teleport time, so you are suggesting us to force upgrade our computers just to get to the location faster?
Life is not fair, but you should not argument like this...

Isnt gaming some sort of enjoyment?

People with slower equipment are pretty much asking everyone else to wait for them.

I don't see how people with faster equipment asking them to upgrade is less fair. *shrugs*

[Anemone_Valesti]

except I've always waited at least 2 minutes before pulling
or a group of like 70, whichever comes first

and no, I've never called someone out by name for pulling early

That portion of the Post wasn't directed at you specifically (Whether it applies to you or not). Just the whole you Oozing with entitlement part because you know...you asking " what makes you think you're more entitled to things than everyone else? what makes you so special? " Yet you're saying/agreeing that "Everyone" That is already at the Mark should wait some time for you and those who aren't at the Mark (For Whatever reason it may be). I mean you would think that someone basically accusing others of thinking they are Entitled wouldn't be in the position of appearing Entitled themselves lol. Now I ask you...What in the hell makes you so Special that EVERYONE at the Mark should even consider waiting and risking getting lower rewards just so you can have a chance at getting the rewards ? Im doing hunts now as I post and I can tell you right now, the already existing Zerg is working against you :/ (Every Mob is learning the Instant Vanish You no targetting Skill)

There is a big difference between HDD and SSD...
Not only spawn time, also teleport time, so you are suggesting us to force upgrade our computers just to get to the location faster?
Life is not fair, but you should not argument like this...

Isnt gaming some sort of enjoyment?

It is also not fair that those who put in effort (through whatever means) to upgrade their computer so they can avoid slowing down, to have to slow down/wait because of others who haven't (For whatever reason). Im in the Category of not so great equipment (Decent), but still I can't be like " Yo slow down and wait pls because I didn't upgrade my computer (Enter Reason here) so it can't go as fast as yours "

[Bluevann]

People with slower equipment are pretty much asking everyone else to wait for them.

I don't see how people with faster equipment asking them to upgrade is less fair. *shrugs*

Waiting a couple extra minutes doesn't cost you hundreds of bucks.

[aisustrong]

not everyone plays on a pc, a pretty large chunk of the playerbase is ps3 and ps4
lets see how many people are willing to upgrade the hardware on those

[Kinseykinz]

Or maybe people should reconsider what class they hunt on. The way it is now, DPS classes are just about useless in hunt parties. They generate the most damage and the least amount of aggro, so the mob dies faster and they get less credit for it overall. I've actually seen hunt parties specifying tank/whm only (yeah no love even for sch).

Which, is not as intended...I mean I am positive SE didn't design this content to be WHM/Tank specific...everyone else too bad. So once again, the community trying to dictate how others play, and not the actual design of the game. And no, I'm not disagreeing with you, just used your quote as an example (one of many) where the community itself has taken hunts way above and beyond what they were supposed to be.

There is a big difference between HDD and SSD...
Not only spawn time, also teleport time, so you are suggesting us to force upgrade our computers just to get to the location faster?
Life is not fair, but you should not argument like this...

Isnt gaming some sort of enjoyment?

To be frank, don't people with slower load times/rigs actually benefit more from pulling when less people are in the zone. 1. Your chances of seeing the mob are muuuuuch better. and 2. Your chances of getting credit for your efforts and not having lag dictate what the server did and didn't process from your end would also raise your odds.

Again though, the argument of 'hey, it takes forever for my screen to load from tele, then for my mount to pop up, then for me to ride out/see the mob etc....implies you were no where near the mob and/or actively hunting it in the first place. So again, why do you deserve full credit? (Rig notwithstanding). If you are only rushing out because you saw /l 'hunt mob here' or heard it on TS or something of the like, you really don't deserve full credit. The bloke who first was there...and the first people who got to it do.

It's called HUNTING. Not 'wack a mole'. You're supposed to actively look for the buggers, not be told where/when to go.


Furthermore, people with lower-end rigs, it's likely that they really didn't see the mob and 'facepulled it' but then it turned red/purple/etc and well the rest is history. Once people start attacking it in masse, best to attack yourself and move on. Yelling at people though, and shamming blacklisting etc really needs to stop. It's pointless, and technically, as far as the rules designed by the devs go, its an open claim, anyone can pull it. So they are NOT being rude/playing against design...at least not any more rude than the people who expect them to wait starring at the mob until everyone interested arrives from every nook and cranny in Eorzea.

And while, it'd likely make the situation worse, in some respects I wish you could only get claim only if you/your party/alliance initially tagged the darn things....at least then this whole 'wait for me' crapfest would stop, and people would, you know, hunt. (Yes I know it'd cause many other issues, but geez...either way, it's lose-lose).

In closing: (from the online Merriam Webster dictionary)
hunt
verb \ˈhənt\

: to chase and kill (wild animals) for food or pleasure
: to search for something or someone very carefully and thoroughly


transitive verb
1
a : to pursue for food or in sport <hunt buffalo>
b : to manage in the search for game <hunts a pack of dogs>
2
a : to pursue with intent to capture <hunted the escapees>
b : to search out : seek
3
: to drive or chase especially by harrying <members … were hunted from their homes — J. T. Adams>
4
: to traverse in search of prey <hunts the woods>
intransitive verb
1
: to take part in a hunt
2
: to attempt to find something
3
: to oscillate alternately to each side (as of a neutral point) or to run alternately faster and slower —used especially of a device or machine

: to search for something or someone very carefully and thoroughly


No where in the actual definition of the word 'Hunt' does it say 'sit and wait in the comfort of your own home/town while other people look for the action...then tell you where it is and wait for you to show up to enjoy the kill'. Nor does it say 'you should wait for everyone interested to find the bear...and make sure to divide it up equally.'

[Velox]

Public shaming is fine. Maybe then people will learn that this is, in fact, a game you play with other players and being an asshole has consequences when suddenly you can't join anything in PF as the entire server has you blacklisted.

Methinks you may be playing the wrong game.