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  1. #31
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    XionAvalonArcadia's Avatar
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    Xion Arcadia
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    Midgardsormr
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    Archer Lv 70
    Dont forget, thats almost 100 dex in some cases. 100 dex, every 90 seconds pop that with a dex pot... thats the best 15 seconds of your life
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  2. #32
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    AskaRay's Avatar
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    Aeon Rakshasa
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    Bard Lv 100
    I'm always trying to improve my rotation, and I've never been kicked from a party from dealing out too low DPS....though I'm not sure how popular parsers even are on my world, so that may be it.

    All I can really add is to reiterate not using macros. I use macros on my SCH with my attacks (not healing), and while maybe one day I will be able to get by without them, now is not it... but anyway, I notice a definite delay when using macros as opposed to not. If you can, I'd suggest just keybinding the actual skills, no macros. The only BRD macros I have are for songs + battle voice.

    Also.... definitely use Hawk's Eye. An off-GCD cooldown that ups your dex? Yes, please.
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  3. #33
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    Rinchan Nau
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    Hmmm.. right. I can equip a full i130 BRD set with an i135 weapon, but I don't actually play BRD. Somebody needs a vacation.
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  4. #34
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    Rioszz Shan
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    Bard Lv 60
    Thank you FranSeara, you've made me laugh quite a bit with your reactions.

    As others have said, i'm not sure what bards you have been playing with. But 15% DEX increase from Hawk's Eye every 90 seconds means you'll roughly get 90 extra DEX/Attack Power if you near 600 DEX.
    DEX is not capped like Accuracy, as this will make you hit harder. Just like other buffs do such as Raging Strikes & Blood for Blood which give you a % damage increase.
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  5. #35
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    Fran Seara
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    Ok if any of you Great bard players can prove you get the FULL 15% Dex increase for hawks's eye then do so. I dont think you can prove it. If what you are saying was true I'd could easily do 700-800 dps some time. We ALL know thats not true. Hawk's eye has diminishing returns has you level, its great at low not so great at higher levels. You dont really get 15% dex in real damgae numbers guys, just try and see for yourself. You will not see a 15% overall damage increase, sorry charlie.
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  6. #36
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    Vivian Grimelka
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    Diabolos
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    Lancer Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by RinchanNau View Post
    Hmmm.. right. I can equip a full i130 BRD set with an i135 weapon, but I don't actually play BRD. Somebody needs a vacation.
    Pls we all have learned today that popping all your dps cooldowns to achieve maximum dps is bad. We're all baddies.
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  7. #37
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    XionAvalonArcadia's Avatar
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    Xion Arcadia
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    Midgardsormr
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    Gee, I must be hella geared to have 818 dex. Maybe if you pop a Xpot and Hawk's Eye, it will make more sense.
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  8. #38
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    Aria Placida
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    Quote Originally Posted by FranSeara View Post
    If what you are saying was true I'd could easily do 700-800 dps some time.
    You mean like how BRD is known to burst into the 800 DPS range? Y'know, when popping all CDs, to include HE?

    So, my BRD goes from 563 DEX unbuffed to 647 buffed. 563x1.15=647.45. You're right, I'm missing .45 DEX!!! Oh, wait, that's just rounding. Again, sorry you're bad.
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  9. #39
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    Faelandaea Dravin
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    Wow, heated conflict there, but still some good info in the midst . . .

    Quote Originally Posted by siverstorm View Post
    Then you don't understand how stats work or what DEX is. Sorry, nothing more can be said here. You're literally gimping yourself by not using an amazing cooldown. If you want to talk about adding to the conversation then your comment was actually harmful to OP who wants to improve his dps (assuming op doesn't read the tooltip after your comment).

    Accuracy cap for t13 is 535, anything more is a waste of substats currently (unless you can't acquire crafted/dreadwyrm gear).

    I play bard once in a blue moon and I will gladly keep that Hawk's Eye up.
    Yeah Dread gear is definitely not happening for me, so I agree with you. My Bard is only wearing i100ish gear from ST. I have never done Coil - attempted it once as healer and it just wasn't my cup of tea. That was a little over a year ago and the group I was with never got past the first boss of T1, and yet there's 13 turns now, if I recall correctly . . . yeah I'll stick to the beginner runs like Urth's Fount and WoD. Those i can still have fun doing without people getting stressed at each other over LOL.


    Quote Originally Posted by FranSeara View Post
    I 've never meet any Bard at higher level that uses Hawks eye. But I guess WE're ALL wrong . I'm just going away my thoughts/opinions don't count or matter here.

    PS: accuracy by 20% is part of the skill too by the way. If you need the 15% dex, buff you might be undergeared for you doing. Check your gear.
    Well, remember that not everyone is on the elitest level and sits there all night farming T13 of Coil. We're not all in i135 armor like you are and totally maxed out on all the stats without using any buffs at all. At this point yours are the only answers in this thread I cannot learn from because instead of helping someone with lower gear to improve, it seems more like you are just bragging and belittling. Unfortunately for you, I do not feel belittled or smaller because of your eliteness in gear. This is mainly because everyone else here seems to recognize that I'm not a T13 Coil farmer that actually needs rotations and skills to pop off an arrow correctly. A huge thank you to everyone else by the way.

    Check my gear? I have. I said in the OP what I am fitted with on Bard class. ST gear which at my skill level as a player is the absolute best I can get right now until I improve my play style. My issue isn;t gear - it's my rotation and skill as a player. I refuse to be one of these people that because my numbers suck sit there and go "it's my gear". Yeah, gear helps depending on where you are at, but in this case, as others have pointed out, my rotations are flawed and I have learning to do. Do you REALLY think someone at my play level is going to be sitting there in T13 all night like you? Maybe someday but right now there's SO much content in this game that it's enough to play and enjoy right now without having to stress over bragging rights on stats. I'm here to play a game, not kill myself because I don;t have the max i-level gear in the game so I can go trolling threads of people with lesser gear.

    Quote Originally Posted by Viridiana View Post
    To go back to trying to help the OP. . .

    1) You're going to want to get Blood for Blood. It's a nice damage boost, and if your DPS is lacking. . .

    2) Stop using macros for your attacks. You're directly losing uptime every time you use a macro like that. Yes, that means you need to get better at hitting more buttons.

    3) Why would you expect a class whose highest potency is 190 to match a cure at 400 potency? Especially when SCH magic weapon damage is way higher than BRD physical weapon damage?
    and...

    Quote Originally Posted by Lollie View Post
    Don't see it mentioned here but your first macro is a dps no-no. GCDs in macros trigger slower as you can not queue them (press the button slightly before the timer is up and ability will still go off immediatly when available). Buffs in macros to save space is a little more acceptable but for fine control you are better off having them separated out.
    Thank you to both of you. I have to get to a meeting but when I get back home I am going to work with your tips, take the buffs out of the attack macros and see if I can, as you say, get better at hitting buttons.

    I did learn from my experiences, though. People are always debating over which is the hardest role in the game, tanking, DPS or healing, and I get a lot of people saying healer is the most stressful job. I will not say they are wrong, but I will say that's not so in my case. To me, healing is so easy a cave man could do it (and yes, I saved a whole lot of money on my Grimoire insurance by switching to Magico). As a healer you just press what you need to press when it's needed and that's it. As DPS you constantly have to press everything in a very precise order every single time or you are screwed for benefiting the group. So DPS, as a main healer, my heart definitely goes out to you for the jobs you do as a main. I hope to get that good in the weeks to come.
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    Last edited by Faelandaea; 01-23-2015 at 08:52 AM.
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  10. #40
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    Dervy Yakimi
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    Ragnarok
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    Lancer Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Faelandaea View Post
    Well, remember that not everyone is on the elitest level and sits there all night farming T13 of Coil. We're not all in i135 armor like you are and totally maxed out on all the stats without using any buffs at all.
    This person is not a high-level raider if they're failing to understand the effectiveness of Hawkes Eye. Don't even bother reply to him/her. Most probably just trollbaiting at this point. This player isn't even i110, check lodestone, so their version of "top end raiders" is only those they've seen in the Keeper of the Lake dungeon. Anyone failing to understand the effectiveness of buffs in this game needs to read up on mechanics and ask questions, rather trying to argue in this forum. Just my 0.02$
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    Last edited by Dervy; 01-23-2015 at 09:09 AM.

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