Idea against Undercutting at the Marketboard (The next.. )

[Zedd702]

@Zedd702

Thank you for your honesty. I can respect that.

And I see your PoV, but to be even more honest about the way "I" perceive the MB. I'm in no way caring about being the top listed item. I do my own research (looking at sell history, rarity and current listings of the item in question). I price my item competitively. If the item doesn't sell in a day or so I will revisit the pricing/supply/demand and adjust accordingly, until the item is gone or until I have a need for it or I may simply remove the item and wait til there's more demand for it. If I want to risk a loss in profit from what the static price of the item is going for, just to make that last bit of gil to get Artisan gear etc. Then I may make that executive decision to take a 500-1k cut in gil as that's a little more appealing than a 1 gil under-cut (which does not effect taxes in a way that would make me consider the item anyway).

[RayneBoemir]

You are forgetting that time = money. Those people that took the time to level their classes and their desynth.

[Zedd702]

You are forgetting that time = money. Those people that took the time to level their classes and their desynth.

I kinda don't understand what you are trying to convey with this....

But if you are stating that leveling classes is in anyway difficult, I'm going to disagree. Same with desynth (even though I am aware there can be difficulties w/ the RNG in desynth and getting high enough to desynth ilvl 90+ items), you can literally camp the MB and desynth in one fell swoop. Furthermore you can level desynth while leveling characters through leves or dungeons...

If that is not what you were trying to imply, then I need a bit more information in order to respond better to your post.

[Nicobo]

...Personally, I think undercutting by 1 gil is respectful to your competitor and whatever integrity this simplistic market has. Just as Sibyll says, it serves to slowly degenerate the value of the given product...

...1gil under-cutting is an insult to the original seller, who might've taken their time to price the item properly and competitively, and then some jerk comes along to post their item without reasonable thought or competitive pricing for a quick sell...

Just thinking which tho is more common.
For myself, I think smaller undercut may generate lesser enmity. ^^;

[Wadoka]

For myself, I think smaller undercut may generate lesser enmity. ^^;

...tanking Market aggro?

*****

Business is war.

Only the weak and unfit desire market controls, wanting "protection" from the more-able predators in the ecosystem.

Are you able... or are you weak?

[kiotsukete]

because I was SPECIFICALLY pointing out 1 gil undercutting, not next lowest price. BIG difference with the two. Perhaps you should, read, re-read or re-re-read my post and work that tid bit out before calling anything ignorant when you did not understand my post in the first place...

You are really not as smart as you apparently think you are, because I completely understand you have this unique, deep-seated psychological issue with 1 gil undercutting. But that's not what my argument is about. So get off your high horse.

My argument is that purposely buying the next lowest listing in a futile attempt to teach some kind of lesson is a stupid thing to do. So you won't buy from a seller who only undercuts by 1 gil. Someone else won't buy from a seller who only undercuts by 100 gil. Maybe someone else won't buy 1000 gil undercuts. Whatever, the amount of the undercut has no bearing on my argument whatsoever.

My problem isn't with you personally, but with this basic attitude that you, and others like you, have that "Because seller #1 didn't undercut big enough in my opinion, I'm going to buy from seller #2 to teach seller #1 a lesson to undercut bigger next time" that in my view is wrong and misguided - for reasons that have already been stated in this thread.

Anyway, since you are clearly always right, I'm not going to waste any more time with you. Have fun on your pointless crusade. Absolutely nothing will change because of it.

[Zedd702]

Nothing to really read here...

I began reading your post, but I stopped. It's nothing but a bunch of flaming because you don't like what I said. It's not about a high horse or proving who is smarter than the other person. Don't get mad at me because you are the one I am potentially calling out that most likely does the 1 gil undercutting, and I called out everything that you potentially do and you'd get caught in the cross fire for your silliness...

I don't know who pissed in your cheerios this morning, but if you expect me to read your post and take them serious, then make a point without all your bogus ass flaming and questioning my intelligence... Feel free to repost what you said in a more constructive way if you wish me to ACTUALLY read it and answer it with any real effort...

[Shadygrove]

I don't think anyone here knows that crashing a market, buying everything up, and reselling is a legitimate tactic.

I used to see it often in NQ Dezmal Tomatoes.

Having two characters, each with 3 retainers I could easily indulge in that kind of market manipulation but I don't.

I do scalp....

[Zedd702]

I don't think anyone here knows that crashing a market, buying everything up, and reselling is a legitimate tactic.

I used to see it often in NQ Dezmal Tomatoes.

Having two characters, each with 3 retainers I could easily indulge in that kind of market manipulation but I don't.

I do scalp....

And that is very strategic... I've done this in the past with rarer items that I post and someone tremendously undercuts me. I will buy the item and resell it for its actual listed price/value (from recent price history) on a different retainer and sometimes even under-cut my original product a bit to compensate for the immediate gil loss in purchasing the other item in the first place.

[dspguy]

Add a listing fee. Make it 1%. Remove retainer fee. A 1M gil item would then cost 10k to list and another 10k to relist. That would make people think twice about undercutting.

Alternative or supplementary fix? Add a place to advertise what you are selling. Similar to how some people are using PF for it (ugh) but make it separate from PF. And I'm sure people would prefer NOT to see it spammed in shout. I'm guilty of using PF to sell or buy stuff. I like the concept of using it, but just wish it wasn't in the same PF that people use to make groups to actually do stuff.