Idea against Undercutting at the Marketboard (The next.. )

[Whatever]

hmm. other than the cost of your gathering gear and time, mats are "free" that you gather yourself. You don't pay gil for the ore you gather. True you can sell it but hanging on to it doesn't cost you either. Someone who gathers their own mats, I do as much as possible, and than crafts will always have the advantage other someone who bought the mats on the mb. Your logic doesn't make any sense.

[Xenosan]

... they've [gathered materials] cost you what you could have sold them for. Now, if what you synth out of them is worth more than the materials, yeah, you've come out ahead.

Indeed, also have to consider the cost of the shards/crystals/clusters required to synth them. Just because dzaemal tomato and black truffles are super cheap on the MB doesn't mean Black Truffle Risotto HQ should be sold for less than 3k~

The required clusters will quickly and very easily sell for just as much gil if not more.

Hell I've sold clusters at 10k a cluster just by selling them in quantities of 1.

[Aeyis]

What is going to make random player-1 from picking my retainer over the other 29 who are selling?

Oh yeah, a price cut.
.....If that makes me a jerk or someone who needs to be "regulated", so be it I guess.

Not a jerk. Just someone that didnt think it through enough.
Because what is it that makes your item stand out more then another, a price cut?
No.

What is it then?

Oh yeah, simply having the top entry even if it is 1 gil cheaper.

hmm. other than the cost of your gathering gear and time, mats are "free" that you gather yourself. You don't pay gil for the ore you gather. True you can sell it but hanging on to it doesn't cost you either. Someone who gathers their own mats, I do as much as possible, and than crafts will always have the advantage other someone who bought the mats on the mb. Your logic doesn't make any sense.

However you could have sold those ''free'' mats on the mb and made gil off them. In addition, gathering shards and crystal is rarely done. Many crafters seem to forget the costs related to those. And there is no recipe that doesnt use a type of crystal.

True, they may not be the same thing, However, supply and demand will influence whether someone will be more likely to undercut at a more severe price if the primary reason is just to move stock. Add in other motivations and let the pricecutting begin.

It is arguing semantics because the complaints are on undercutting in a market with a high turn over.
What is the point in undercutting a hefty amount if your item is going to be sold in an hour tops anyway?
Not going to make it sell faster. It's only going to lose everyone (but the immediate buyer) gil.

[Whatever]

Well basically that is why i said other motivations. Even a high turn over market can be controlled with somone with enough foresight to stock up for days or weeks even before taking over a niche. Barring just someone undercutting for immediate gratification, the other main reason is to drive out competition. Albeit it may be harder to do on more higher population servers but it's possible even more so if you have a partner.

[Gillionaire]

It is arguing semantics because the complaints are on undercutting in a market with a high turn over.
What is the point in undercutting a hefty amount if your item is going to be sold in an hour tops anyway?
Not going to make it sell faster. It's only going to lose everyone (but the immediate buyer) gil.

I've noticed though that most people complaining aren't really in markets with high turn over.. That's why they see severe undercuts and that's the point I've been trying to make also.. If you're getting undercut severely, there are other reasons than people's stupidity that's causing it. Better to try and figure out what it is so you can combat it more effectively next time, or you can be defeatist about it and say either

a. Everybody else is out to get me wah wah
b. Everyone else is stupid and they don't know the right price for the item.

Neither attitude is gonna put money in your pocket, the only way to do that is to see what you can do to make your item sell.

What is the point in undercutting a hefty amount if your item is going to be sold in an hour tops anyway?

If it's a crafted item, seling it puts you back to work and you can run your factory full capacity so to speak
Look around in Mor Dhona and see how many crafters just loiter around. I'm one of them, so I try to sell things quick and I can make another one and relist.

Well, usually I'll have a stack and sell off of that, but point remains the same.. I try to sell at a lower price just so I can keep crafting more.. Once you've eliminated pve/pvp there really isn't much to do other than craft more and I've noticed I'm not the only one.. I've met quite a few 4star crafters that don't participate in combat contents.

Tbh, I once thought that I would eventually see the end of demand since most items in the game are not consumable, since once a person has purchased however many he needs, he won't buy anymore and thought that's when I'd stop crafting and get back to gearing my WAR and go to dungeons again.. But I don't know what it is, the demand simply won't die out..



RANT: I was really hoping for some new recipes in 2.55 so I could work on those. But it looks like the patch doesn't include much for crafters other than recovering FC3s lost in manual 2 tokens..

[Ninimo_Babamo]

Come back and cry when you see a single person undercut your materia by 50-100k. I put up a Savage Might IV for 450k and an hour later, the very next seller lists it for 50k cheaper. It happens a lot. Not a big deal if it's one item, but when you've got 40-50 to sell, its a huge pain.

There's absolutely nothing you, I, anyone you know, or SE can do about a free economy. Just move on.