Let Players Speed Run Again

[Noahlimits]

Not entirely true...

Maybe this is a case of 'git gud'? I've done countless expert roulettes with tanks that were no higher than i95-100, and as long as they do some semblance of a cooldown rotation it's easy peazy.

First big pull:

-SS+Eye for an eye before first pull
-Cleric Stance
-Pre enable swift cast
-Holy x 3
-Benediction
-Holy x 3

And by that point the pull should be dead. On future pulls when you don't have bene, that's when you weave in divine seal and regen.

Obviously if you have a i95 tank who uses 0 cooldowns you won't be able to keep them up. But those tanks wouldn't want to do speed runs in the first place. Tanks who aren't geared in 99% of cases won't be experienced or willing to do speed runs. So your second point is moot.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

If you aren't DPSing as a healer even if your tank pulls the whole dungeon you're not doing something right. You should always be able to dps and heal regardless of the pull size if even moderately geared.

Good point. However, if your tank pulls more than he can handle or perhaps isn't using his cooldowns, and is eating a ton of damage, I'd say your priority - as a healer, let's remember that - is HEALING. The key words missed there were "if I'm not stuck healing constantly"

We can play the what if game, but fact is there were some very good points made there that you may or may not agree with. But don't miss the big picture for a small what if scenario.

[Noahlimits]

Good point. However, if your tank pulls more than he can handle or perhaps isn't using his cooldowns, and is eating a ton of damage, I'd say your priority - as a healer, let's remember that - is HEALING. The key words missed there were "if I'm not stuck healing constantly"

We can play the what if game, but fact is there were some very good points made there that you may or may not agree with. But don't miss the big picture for a small what if scenario.

If your tank doesn't use his cooldowns he shouldn't be speed running or pulling big groups, period. There's no what-ifs when it comes to that.

[Zedd702]

Hot air

Of course you'd get upset when someone calls you out on a valid point... I actually expected that. Perhaps you should read your post again... "no higher than 90-100 ilvl" what dungeon do you know, outside of primals and coils has this high of a requirement? Know what you're talking about before you come at me like that. And AGAIN, you quote a distinct situation where you can DPS. Hence the word situational...

So put some salt, pepper and paprika and whatever other seasoning you prefer on your "git good" and eat those words.

The rest of your post you should have probably just deleted, because you pretty much typed nonsense...

[Noahlimits]

Of course you'd get upset when someone calls you out on a valid point... I actually expected that. Perhaps you should read your post again... "no higher than 90-100 ilvl" what dungeon do you know, outside of primals and coils has this high of a requirement? Know what you're talking about before you come at me like that. So put some salt, pepper and paprika and whatever other seasoning you prefer on your "git good" and eat those words.

The rest of your post you should have probably just deleted, because you pretty much typed nonsense...

What expert dungeon do you know has tanks trying to speed run or pull big groups that aren't at least i90? If your tank is below that and trying to speed run any new dungeon, he's terrible and expecting his healer to carry him.

Your only point was basically "what if your tank sucks / is undergeared and does big pulls anyways?". Simple, let them die. I also like how a proper rotation and statements of badly geared / bad tanks attempting to do speed runs being bad is "hot air".

As far as "knowing what I'm talking about", I'm a i130 WHM with t13 on farm. I'd say that adds to my credibility a lot more than anything you can say. "Git Gud" if you think that healers shouldn't dps in almost any and every dungeon situation.

[Zedd702]

What expert dungeon do you know has tanks trying to speed run or pull big groups that aren't at least i90? If your tank is below that and trying to speed run any new dungeon, he's terrible.

Your only point was basically "what if your tank sucks / is undergeared and does big pulls anyways?". Simple, let them die.

LOL... I see discussion with you is pointless... I never put in any "what-ifs," that's your assumption of the word I used, which was "situational"

lern2reed...

I've seen MANY tanks enter dungeons with bare bone ilvls with a mix of healer and dps accessories and pull big mobs, when their HP is less than some DPS on the team. You need to queue DF sometime and get off your static or FC runs to see what I'm talking about.

EDIT: Now I see here we go with "I farm coils all day, so I am right and you are wrong." I'm sorry for stepping on your toes when you said the sky was red, you're right... I'll go back to reality.

I also like how a proper rotation and statements of badly geared / bad tanks attempting to do speed runs being bad is "hot air".

As far as "knowing what I'm talking about", I'm a i130 WHM with t13 on farm. I'd say that adds to my credibility a lot more than anything you can say. "Git Gud" if you think that healers shouldn't dps in almost any and every dungeon situation.

Since you decided to add more after this post I'll respond to this as well here. I never said healers can't DPS, it's their call if they want to or not and it's also situational at times where they can't...
Don't put words in my mouth because you fail to comprehend what I am actually saying...

[Noahlimits]

LOL... I see discussion with you is pointless... I never put in any "what-ifs," that's your assumption of the word I used, which was "situational"

lern2reed...

I've seen MANY tanks enter dungeons with bare bone ilvls with a mix of healer and dps accessories and pull big mobs, when their HP is less than some DPS on the team. You need to queue DF sometime and get off your static or FC runs to see what I'm talking about.

I DF daily and never see tanks with less HP than DPS pulling like that. Maybe you've just had incredibly bad experiences. Or me good experiences. /shrug

And again, good healers should dps in EVERY dungeon situation. No "what-ifs" about it.

[Zedd702]

I DF daily and never see tanks with less HP than DPS pulling like that. Maybe you've just had incredibly bad experiences. Or me good experiences. /shrug

And again, good healers should dps in EVERY dungeon situation. No "what-ifs" about it.

You should stick to your statics, cause you clearly don't know what you are talking about... Healers DPS if they can/will, not because you say so. It's their call to do so, because guess what, let me be your tank and I die several times because you fail to heal but rather DPS, you will be voted off the team.

[Noahlimits]

You should stick to your statics, cause you clearly don't know what you are talking about... Healers DPS if they can/will, not because you say so. It's their call to do so, because guess what, let me be your tank and I die several times because you fail to heal but rather DPS, you will be voted off the team.

I never said all healers have to dps. I'm saying GOOD healers should dps. And healers that DPS are good. And good healers that DPS don't let their tanks die.

[Zedd702]

I never said all healers have to dps. I never said they should dps. I'm saying GOOD healers should dps. And good healers that DPS don't let their tanks die.

Fair enough... and I will accept that, because that is correct. And with that I will retract a bit of my statement that you don't know what you're talking about because in this quote you do and I will admit that.