Let Players Speed Run Again

[Spoekes]

He has a point there Lace.
Beeing pushed to the limit in the dungeon content does teach handling stressful situations, mana management etc. That skill can be applied to raid content.

The thing to note here is that not everybody you meet in dungeons is running raid content or training to do it for that matter.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

You've made some good points as well, Spoekes.

I may be different, but I learned all of that in dungeons without speed running, and refined it in raids. I'd even go so far as to say I REALLY learned how to play well from raiding, and all that simply because I wanted something else to focus on other than relics. And now it's my most favorite thing in game. Again, speaking only for myself, I simply feel like I have nothing to learn or benefit from speed runs. Tomes, bonuses, and even time aren't incentives for me, believe it or not.

[Divine_Intervention]

While I can appreciate the fun of doing dungeons in their normal pace (i think i did have an earlier post in this thread to that effect), I have realised I can't stand these three dungeons for trying to spam soldiery for alexandrite. It takes forever. And going into HM's to try to get a newb doesn't work all that well when the other 7 people in the DF had the same idea lol. Would be nice to have somewhere to speed run this content again.

[FranSeara]

Oh yea....Duty Finder is for "EVERYONE" to use and enjoy.
Have a good weekend everyone.

[Stihllodeing]

...."EVERYONE" ....

No. And when I go out in open world people better know the fates. I'm so tired of people walking around in public access without any practice. Doesn't anyone have any respect for anyone else? I was out in OP the other day farming crafting items (in the appropriate party finder mind you) and guess what I saw? People out killing a hunt who were...ugh....NOT IN A PFG! It's no wonder SE can't deliver when the player base doesn't know how to streamline anything on it's own, lol I swear.

And a good weekend to you too!!

[Zedd702]

Again, do any regular run of ANY dungeon (pulling no more than one enemy pack at a time) in the game with 3 other competent players. Do that dungeon regularly. Post your time. I'll make a video of doing a speed run of that dungeon with the exact same ilvl of your group has and I'll beat that time doing a speed run by at least 10 minutes.

I remember people not believing that you could easily do 8-10 minute brayflox HM speed runs when it first came out.

Not gonna argue and go back and forth about this when I know you are incorrect on the matter. Further I said with the exception of a dungeon or two that can be ran in a shorter time, Brayflox is def one of those that come to mind.

Fact is I BET you are comparing time shaving based on a team that stops every mob for a random afk, bio, bologna sandwich, cat aggro etc. Speed runs DO NOT save 15-20 minutes when you compare it to a normal run without interruptions...

[Noahlimits]

Not gonna argue and go back and forth about this when I know you are incorrect on the matter. Further I said with the exception of a dungeon or two that can be ran in a shorter time, Brayflox is def one of those that come to mind.

Fact is I BET you are comparing time shaving based on a team that stops every mob for a random afk, bio, bologna sandwich, cat aggro etc. Speed runs DO NOT save 15-20 minutes when you compare it to a normal run without interruptions...

Then give me a time your average run takes in ANY dungeon not speed running. Again, ANY dungeon. I'll beat that time by 10 minutes doing a speed run and post a video of it online with the same party ilvl.

There's no argument here. I'm 100% confident I will destroy the time you post. Just post any time with proof that's how long it took you. I'll even take your word you didn't speed run it to get that time and I'll beat it by at least 10 minutes.

And I said 10-20 minutes faster. Not 15-20.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

Jinraya: You've got a good 5 minute idea, now expand on it. Where will it be located? What type of enemies will be there? What bosses. What relevant reason (lore-wise) would it have to run it? Where will you place chests if randomly generated? How about the loot tables for the chests? What special ideas will you try that haven't been done yet, besides random elements? Any special mechanics for the boss fights? How will you balance it for casters? How will you balance it for melee?

I'm not shooting your idea down at all. I like it actually. But I said all that to show that it does take more than 5 minutes to come up with an idea for an instance. You may dislike what exists now, but don't think there wasn't work or planning that went into it.

[Zedd702]

Jinraya: You've got a good 5 minute idea, now expand on it. Where will it be located? What type of enemies will be there? What bosses. What relevant reason (lore-wise) would it have to run it? Where will you place chests if randomly generated? How about the loot tables for the chests? What special ideas will you try that haven't been done yet, besides random elements? Any special mechanics for the boss fights? How will you balance it for casters? How will you balance it for melee?

I'm not shooting your idea down at all. I like it actually. But I said all that to show that it does take more than 5 minutes to come up with an idea for an instance. You may dislike what exists now, but don't think there wasn't work or planning that went into it.

Actually I saw that post too and I liked the idea of that crystal he mentioned that would port the players in different areas. That would be an interesting mechanic to deal with...

Then give me a time your average run takes in ANY dungeon not speed running. Again, ANY dungeon. I'll beat that time by 10 minutes doing a speed run and post a video of it online with the same party ilvl.

There's no argument here. I'm 100% confident I will destroy the time you post. Just post any time with proof that's how long it took you. I'll even take your word you didn't speed run it to get that time and I'll beat it by at least 10 minutes.

This is a waste of my time... I don't record anything.

You are not listening to what I said and now I see why you take a liking to anything Yumi_umi said in the past because she does not make much sense either.

Here we go I'm gonna state it one more time: Speed runs do NOT save 15-20 minutes, more like 5-7, maybe 8 minutes and at best 10, nothing as significant as 15-20 minutes...

[Noahlimits]

Here we go I'm gonna state it one more time: Speed runs do NOT save 15-20 minutes, more like 5-7, maybe 8 minutes and at best 10, nothing as significant of 15-20 minutes...

I'll just take you at your word then since you don't make videos. Start a online stop watch when you start ANY dungeon in the game. Give me that time. I'll just take you at your word that the time is legit. And I'll prove a speed run destroys that time by posting a video doing so.

I think you just don't want to be proved incredibly wrong. And 10 minutes fall under the 10-20 minute ratio I gave. I never said 15-20, so I'm not sure why you keep saying that.