Question to the Devs RE: Spiritbonding

[Ghishlain]

The best way to address it would be to not have crafting/gathering gear count towards the required item level of the dungeon.

Unfortunately, that won't change much because they would queue with their main gear on, then switch to DoL/H gear once they're inside the instance, thus bypassing the entry restriction.

If they changed it so you can't change ANY gear inside the instance, you'll hear a lot of complaints about that too, like tanks who like to do mass speed pulls in more defensive sets then help crush bosses in more STR-based sets.

The solution to restrict SBing to specific tiers generally does the job, I feel. Though to present an alteration on your idea here, I wonder if there's a way to restrict gear from accumulating Soulbind % in instances if the piece of gear doesn't share a primary stat of your class/job. That might be an interesting work around to get DoH/L gear outta instances for good.

[Sadana]

That might be an interesting work around to get DoH/L gear outta instances for good.

But this doesn't solve the problem that DoH/DoL materia takes too long to SB otherwise. And these classes NEED the materia, unlike battle classes (besides the relic stage that needs em). Speed THAT up and you'll see less of it in dungeons.

[Ghishlain]

But this doesn't solve the problem that DoH/DoL materia takes too long to SB otherwise. And these classes NEED the materia, unlike battle classes (besides the relic stage that needs em). Speed THAT up and you'll see less of it in dungeons.

Yeah, the solution was more of an attempt to get DoH/Ls out of instances in general. With my idea, you'll still be able to SB outside of the instance on a battle job. I tend to be able to SB a full i45+ right side within 20 minutes, I think, on WHM and I'm not even in Urth's Gift doing so.

If they made it more beneficial to SB as the actually DoH/L job, it'll definitely make SBing inside instances non-existent.

[Sadana]

If they made it more beneficial to SB as the actually DoH/L job, it'll definitely make SBing inside instances non-existent.

Heh, speed it way up on DoH/DoL classes and zero it out in battle. Would we see armies of crafting bots then?
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I don't wanna think about it. ><

[Ghishlain]

Heh, speed it way up on DoH/DoL classes and zero it out in battle. Would we see armies of crafting bots then?
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I don't wanna think about it. ><

Make it so when you Quick Synth, you'll always get 1% regardless of ilvl of the DoH? @.@

Dunno what you'd do for DoL though, lol. Maybe just double the amount of SB they get per tick >.>; (I dunno how DoL SB is calculated)

[Sadana]

Make it so when you Quick Synth, you'll always get 1% regardless of ilvl of the DoH? @.@

Dunno what you'd do for DoL though, lol. Maybe just double the amount of SB they get per tick >.>; (I dunno how DoL SB is calculated)

Hm, could still be scaled according to level like the new dungeon levels are. So to SB DoL/DoH AF gear, you'd best be hitting the level 50 nodes and crafting level 46+ stuff. And the return is a decent % of SB (whatever that would be, comparable to dungeoning per mob), much more if HQ I guess to counteract botting... Not sure...

[Felis]

Hm, could still be scaled according to level like the new dungeon levels are. So to SB DoL/DoH AF gear, you'd best be hitting the level 50 nodes and crafting level 46+ stuff. And the return is a decent % of SB (whatever that would be, comparable to dungeoning per mob), much more if HQ I guess to counteract botting... Not sure...

I think this is already the way it works

DoM/DoW class: SB rate depend on the difference between gear ilevel and enemy/dungeon level
DoH class: SB rate depend on the difference between gear ilevel and the recipe level
DoL class: SB rate depend on the difference between gear ilevel and node (and gathered item?) level

Problem is that there are more places and ways to spiritbound ilevel55+ gear with DoM and DoW than with DoH (mostly only with star recipes) and DoL (mostly only with hidden nodes). It is just easier and faster to spiritbound it with a battle class, if the class can wear it.

[Zohar_Lahar]

Hm, could still be scaled according to level like the new dungeon levels are. So to SB DoL/DoH AF gear, you'd best be hitting the level 50 nodes and crafting level 46+ stuff. And the return is a decent % of SB (whatever that would be, comparable to dungeoning per mob), much more if HQ I guess to counteract botting... Not sure...

For the Miner/Botanist gear, the leves at Saint Coinach's Find lets them spiritbond at a decent pace. But for crafting and fishing, everything's slow.

[Devils_Lawyer]

This case in particular u could just kick the WHM cause his intent in said dungeon is to spiritbond and not help the group out.

But ye they need to up spiritbonding from craft/gathering if they plan on ever removing such gear from dungeons.

[LineageRazor]

This case in particular u could just kick the WHM cause his intent in said dungeon is to spiritbond and not help the group out.

Well, in the case of a healer or tank, this doesn't really work. Here's a simple flowchart.
1. CM begins! Several pulls go by, with difficulty.
2. People finally start examining each other to figure out why.
3. Bum WHM is identified! Engage kick!
4. WHM is kicked! WHM shrugs.
5. Is gear spritibonded? If not, go to step 6. If so, go to step 7.
6. Sign onto party finder! Go to step 1.
7. Profit!