Question from a NIN to our FCOB tanks

[Lavieh]

I can't presume to know what your tanks do differently, having farmed FCoB for as long as you have. I am speaking from progression which is probably where OP is coming from.

"end encounters inbetween 300-400 DPS" is also a very open-ended statement. Both in 10-12? Both in 13?

13 is the exception.

Even in progression they would run out of TP. I would say that there are tanks that are a lot less aggressive and will lose TP at a slower rate but I would give the OP advice assuming top levels of play.

[MeridaQ]

I am a WAR tank on T13 progression. I am still working on my rotations, but I typically run out of TP on the T12 big bennu phase and around 10-15% on T10 and T11 I get down to around 200 TP. At those times I just request goad if needed. Our Bard is good about putting up peons so we don't have too much TP issues, but our PLD is the one who runs out faster typically.

[MeridaQ]

I am a WAR tank on T13 progression. I am still working on my rotations, but I typically run out of TP on the T12 big bennu phase and around 10-15% on T10 and T11 I get down to around 200 TP. At those times I just request goad if needed. Our Bard is good about putting up peons so we don't have too much TP issues, but our PLD is the one who runs out faster typically.

Edit: of the tanks MNK than BRD first.

[stoxastic]

WAR in defiance loses TP at a really slow rate because of free skills and won't need TP unless they work in Fracture (possibly not even worth since it delays wrath). Also pacification debuff from berserk gives WAR a free 120 TP if it doesn't get cleansed. Outside of defiance, WAR will lose TP much faster since you're keeping fracture up and have no free skills like IB. Goad is pretty useful for WAR in cases where they are out of defiance for a long time or adds phases (Overpower usage).

PLD actually loses TP very quickly unless you get a good amount of Shield Swipe procs. People always talk highly about PLD dps in Sword Oath but don't ever consider the TP implications. Very aggressive PLDs can run out of TP very quickly. I typically raid with WAR, but I played PLD once in T12 and I was almost out of TP soon after the beginning of phase 2.

[SeraviEdalborez]

That's what has me confused. Our group does WAR MT, PLD OT for 10-12 (insofar as one can be an OT on 11/12) and I rarely ever have TP issues, WAR pretty much never asks for Goad either. I use Ruby accs with Selene out for these turns as well, so my GCD is around 2.37 (without Selene).

[ZDamned]

Paladin's as a MT, should NEVER run out of TP. Shield Swipe actually gives you TP, it's so efficent.
Basically, if your Paladin MT is not using Shield Swipe as often as possible (After threat is established of course) Then they are not only burning TP needlessly, but they are also losing out on a large amount of DPS.
So, if it's a Paladin MT, No goad. give it to the OT.
If the Paladin is an OT though, ... They need it. =P

[Ehayte]

Yeah if your OTs aren't running out of TP as fast or faster than your melee....they are likely not doing enough DPS.

[Abbul_Stonecleaver]

In T10, I have more issues with TP than our MT Pal.

In T11, I have no issues (too much Defiance cause I'm scared), but Pal is often running low by add phase.

In T12 going into Phase 3 (Bennu phase), we haven't had TP issues yet that I am aware of. This is with switching Defiance off after being healed after Revelation while MTing.

[Dhex]

Depending on the food I eat I sometimes/always run flat out of TP in both Turn 10 & Turn 11 pushing roughly 185+ DPS on my PLD when I MT (it's in VIT gear don't freak out), but my group has a Bard that plays TP song for the Monk just when I run flat out though so it's not much of an issue. If you have a Bard it'd be best to save your Goad for if/when they're running Ballad or Foe and you don't want to lose those songs - if you don't have a Bard I'd use it at your own discretion.

[Wizhard]

they are also losing out on a large amount of DPS.

But in all seriousness MTs should not need goad ever. Maaaaaaybe if its a pld and the boss is using exclusively magical attacks or something.