How is SMN overall dps?

[Judge_Xero]

You should do another test. Determination definitely affects pet damage. These ranges are from just letting Ifrit attack on Obey for 10 minutes.

80 MD, 597 Int, 295 Det (http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/P331)
- Auto-Attack: 104-115 (156-173 Crit)
- Burning Strike: 199-220 (299-330 Crit)

80 MD, 597 Int, 424 Det (http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/P32Z)
- Auto-Attack: 117-130 (176-195 Crit)
- Burning Strike: 211-234 (317-349 Crit)

Thank you. Yeah, I ended up doing more testing over the weekend because I wanted to see if DET effected Ifrit's AA damage at all. After seeing that it increased Burning Strike damage as well as AA damage I went back and tested Garuda as well.

Values I ended up with.

DET increases Garuda's Damage twice as much as Ifrit's. i.e. 22 DET gave my Ifrit a 2 DPS gain, where as it gave Garuda a 4 DPS gain. (i120 weapon)
I used Tanking accessories with only DET to test, then just removed them to decrease my DET value, so this value may vary depending on the rest of a players gear.

I wish SE would stop changing everything without giving notice. Next thing you know we'll have Spell Speed effecting pets again without any updates.

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Yah and did you remember count that garuda damage is increase if bard sing foe but that does not affect ifrit.

This is true of course. But, over a 10 minute fight you would probably end up with Ifrit whacking away on a mob that has the slash/blunt debuffs for a longer duration than Garuda benefits from Foes. Not to mention that Ifrit's damage is higher than Garuda's even with Foes (other than Battle Voiced Foes of course)

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Using a baseline DPS of 350 SMN DPS at i131 *** Big estimate here, since the way MD + INT scales between each other + secondary stats. I suspect that baseline to be low, because I just used 292 DPS + 20% from i111


In comparing this gear set http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/P2LE with the higher spell speed paired with Ifrit @ 22% Crit rate combined with the ability to proc the Enhanced Pet ability twice as much as Garuda for 20% increased spell speed (506->607) 2.34->2.24 GCD. Over 6 minutes it will average out to about 80 seconds at 2.24s or 22% of the time. Which translates to ~5 more attacks (not counting any benefit from Fey Glow) Since you can't cast dots faster than it takes for them to wear off, we can assume we only get 5 more ruins, or 400 more potency, so about 4.5 DPS @ i131
Combined with Fey Glow where you can also get an additional 5 Ruins, that's a total of 10 Ruins, or 800 Potency ~9 DPS

Using Garuda + Contagion with less spell speed and higher DET SMN DPS should be about 10 DPS higher than the baseline.

SMN Damage
(Using Ifrit)Estimated i131 SMN DPS @ i131 359 DPS (High Crit + Spell Speed)
(Using Ifrit) Estimated i131 SMN DPS @ i131 353 DPS (More DET + Less Spell Speed) Ifrit will do 4 DPS more though so it's around 357
(Using Garuda)Estimated i131 SMN DPS @ i131 360 DPS (More DET + Less Spell Speed)

Pet Damage
Estimated Ifrit damage @ i131 - 182 DPS Solo (197 DPS simulated with Slash/Blunt debuff @ 80%) - high crit/low det
Estimated Garuda damage @ i131 - 154 DPS Solo (159 DPS simulated with Foes Requiem (25% of the time) - high crit/det

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Ifrit Combined estimate - 541 DPS (556 Simulated with Slash/Blunt debuff)

Garuda Combined estimate - 514 DPS (+ Foes 519)

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This is half thrown together, just to get a look at a different approach to SMN + Ifrit and I will be using this data for further testing in FCOB to compare to other classes. (Bubble numbers are ok, but testing in action is better)

Feel free to critique, as that's how everyone learns more.

[ShinryuReishiki]

DET increases Garuda's Damage twice as much as Ifrit's. i.e. 22 DET gave my Ifrit a 2 DPS gain, where as it gave Garuda a 4 DPS gain. (i120 weapon)

I tried the same two gear sets with Garuda. Ifrit seems to benefit slightly more. Burning Strike and Wind Blade both did about 6-7% more damage with +129 Det, but Ifrit's auto attacks did about 12-13% more damage, which results in about 8% overall.

80 MD, 597 Int, 424 Det (http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/P32Z)
- Auto-Attack: 117-130
- Burning Strike: 211-234
- Wind Blade: 302-333

80 MD, 597 Int, 295 Det (http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/P331)
- Auto-Attack: 104-115
- Burning Strike: 199-220
- Wind Blade: 282-311

Not factoring in critical hits, Rouse, Spur, Enkindle, debuffs...

Ifrit (424): 115.33 DPS
Ifrit (295): 106.33 DPS
Difference: 9 (+8.46%)

Garuda (424): 105.83 DPS
Garuda (295): 98.83 DPS
Difference: 7 (+7.04%)

[Judge_Xero]

I tried the same two gear sets with Garuda. Ifrit seems to benefit slightly more. Burning Strike and Wind Blade both did about 6-7% more damage with +129 Det, but Ifrit's auto attacks did about 12-13% more damage, which results in about 8% overall.

Wow, no idea why I ended up with the results I did. I let each set run for 20 minutes and I ran them twice each just to make sure, since it was such a difference between pets.

I didn't remove any crit data, but I'd think that would even out over 20 minutes.