Why does SCH do more AoE DPS than SMN?

[reality_check]

Raging strikes > Bio II > Masma > Bio I > Miasma II + Rouse > Spur > Enkindle and you have upwards 500-600 dps in aoe.

SCH can't touch that.

This is true. But all these advantages are cooldowns, and they add relatively low amount of overall AoE DPS to a full dungeon run. Under Raging Strikes, a SMN's dots come out barely ahead of SCH because of Aero & Cleric stance. Enkindle does good burst AoE though.

[Houston009]

-When there are 4+ mobs, the extra dot(Aero;200 pot) SCH gets is no longer an advantage.
-SMN can use contagion to increase the duration of their dots so that they can Bane 3 mobs, then bane another 3 mobs from the same dots(that'll actually last).
-Therefore allowing more Blizzard IIs to cast.
-Garuda has her own aoe which is about as strong as 1 1/2 Blizzard IIs
-Buffs give SMN the better initial AOE, although Raging Strike and Enkindle may not be up for every pull, SMN still has access to this.

-When there are 3 or less mobs, Aero then becomes greater than spamming Blizzard II
-However when there are less mobs(3), SMN might as well start Festering
-SMN also has a pet that is constantly attacking.
-SCH's dots do tick slightly harder than SMN's(w/o buffs), but their offensive pet makes up the difference.

Conclusion: SCH dots may tick higher than SMN normally, but SMN's pet and other offensive abilities place them equal or slightly higher(in AOE).

[Eggnook24]

Also, in reality, healing does cut into DPS....

[Hippo]

Whm is laughing at this discussion lol

[Houston009]

While SCH still remains the go to Damage Dealing Healer on real content, pretty fair.

[Wildsprite]

SCH AoE Advantages:

-Way more MP than SMN
-Shadow Flare, Miasma 2, Miasma, Bio, and Bio 2 all do slightly more damage through Cleric Stance than a similar geared SMN
-Has a fourth single target DoT, though it cannot be Baned can be manually spread for more AoE damage.

SMN AoE Advantages:
-Can do large AoE once every 5 minutes
-Can contagion the first set of dots?

are you certain you didn't put all your bonus points into MND? I can def see it if that is the case

[Bloody]

Whm is laughing at this discussion lol

Dat Holy spam, yo. Massive AoE plus stun? Yes, please. But I think as other people have stated, SCH may have higher DoT output, but that is not the same as high DPS output overall. I will say however that I appreciate my healers going Cleric Stance and speeding up runs significantly while still keeping the party topped up.

[Sylve]

Dat Holy spam, yo. Massive AoE plus stun? Yes, please. But I think as other people have stated, SCH may have higher DoT output, but that is not the same as high DPS output overall. I will say however that I appreciate my healers going Cleric Stance and speeding up runs significantly while still keeping the party topped up.

Its odd how much people discount the Egi's damage.
SMN DPS is going to split a little with the Pet, SCH doesn't have that.

Trying to put all 3 single target DoTs on a pull with 3 or more targets is an exorcise in futility. By the time the third set comes up, the DoTs are falling off the first target, and trying to get those DoTs up while 4+ Targets are wailing on your tank ... Yeah, good luck with that lol.

Also, Holy pwns everything. The only gear difference between my WHM and SCH is that i have the i110 Book, but only i80 Thyrus. Holy still crits for 1k under Cleric Stance >_>

[Wildsprite]

Its odd how much people discount the Egi's damage.
SMN DPS is going to split a little with the Pet, SCH doesn't have that.

yeah people often discount the pets. with SMN they get attack pets. the most SCH gets is Selene to debuf(not discounting these as being useful).
Scholar doesn't get pets that attack because Scholar isn't meant to be an attacker. they are meant to be a healer that can attack just like conjurer/white mage.

[kyuven]

Go test yourself

Actually, since you made the proposition that SCH is better at AOE DPS than SMN, the burden of proof is on you.