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    reality_check's Avatar
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    Jesse Branford
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    Arcanist Lv 80

    Why does SCH do more AoE DPS than SMN?

    SCH AoE Advantages:

    -Way more MP than SMN
    -Shadow Flare, Miasma 2, Miasma, Bio, and Bio 2 all do slightly more damage through Cleric Stance than a similar geared SMN
    -Has a fourth single target DoT, though it cannot be Baned can be manually spread for more AoE damage.

    SMN AoE Advantages:
    -Can do large AoE once every 5 minutes
    -Can contagion the first set of dots?


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    Last edited by reality_check; 12-31-2014 at 09:28 AM.

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    Sulwyn Caliope
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    Tonberry
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    Scholar Lv 70
    You're forgetting Aerial slash. It has a recast time of 30 seconds and does 90 potency AoE damage. :/ I'm also not sure how you've come to the conclusion that SCH CS DoTs do more than SMN DoTs, Care to post numbers from tests that you've run?
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    Sekhmet Mubarak
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    Gladiator Lv 60
    I recommend actually learning about the summoner skills and doing research.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SulwynCaliope View Post
    You're forgetting Aerial slash. It has a recast time of 30 seconds and does 90 potency AoE damage. :/ I'm also not sure how you've come to the conclusion that SCH CS DoTs do more than SMN DoTs, Care to post numbers from tests that you've run?
    Cleric Stance swaps int and mnd ratings. At similar gear levels, SCH and SMN have comparative INT and MND. Cleric Stance adds an additional 10% damage done by offensive spells. It's this 10% that pushes SCH dots past SMN dots.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SekhmetM View Post
    I recommend actually learning about the summoner skills and doing research.
    Go test yourself, find a sch and a smn with same gear level and get them both to DoT up a dummy. The SCH DoTs will do way more damage than the summoner dots.
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    Egg Soup
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    Scholar Lv 50
    Add in Garuda Egi, your numbers will change.
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    Kipp Kaida
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    Quote Originally Posted by SekhmetM View Post
    I recommend actually learning about the summoner skills and doing research.
    Cleric Stance boosts your magic attack potency by 20% (or 10% I forget). So yes, equal ilvl Scholar and Summoner, the Scholar dots will tick for more
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    Arcanist Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Eggnook24 View Post
    Add in Garuda Egi, your numbers will change.
    Garuda Egi doens`t do enough AoE damage to outdo the single fact that SCH gets an additional DoT they can apply to multiple targets between Banes. Add in the fact that their shadow flare, miasma 2, miasma, bio and bio 2 all do more damage and SCH has the advantage in AoE damage.

    Single target, totally different story obviously.
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    Coatl Days
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    Gladiator Lv 90
    Raging strikes > Bio II > Masma > Bio I > Miasma II + Rouse > Spur > Enkindle and you have upwards 500-600 dps in aoe.

    SCH can't touch that.
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    Straigus Rheyist
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    Pugilist Lv 81
    With buffs such as Raging Strike, Rouse, and Spur SMN is capable of doing more AOE damage than SCH. As far as consistent high sustain aoe dps, SCH is up there.
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