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  1. #31
    Player BLaCKnBLu3B3RRY's Avatar
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    Motoko Kusanagi
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    hello. i am really digging this thread. and have always thought BRD to be the most boring damage to play. plus the simplest. then without any combos i never considered an actual rotation. though am always trying to best utilize my buffs and such. but this thread is a real eye-opener. thank you everyone!
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    Quote Originally Posted by SlyRoyale View Post
    Still, Krietor's opener encourages clipping, which is a waste of TP and potency. It would still be a weaker opening, and that is the matter at hand.

    EDIT: You also didn't read through the thread. In the very post you quoted, I used my raid setup, which I posted in the first page with an Ariyala link. Here is the link again.
    I do avoid his opening in general, as I don't like the clipping; that much we can agree on. Whether that truly makes it weaker, though, is a different matter. Especially if, as he mentions in his guide, TA buff is up when you clip, I can see how it might tip the scales in favor of clipping (but I'm too lazy to math it out).

    As for the raid setup. . .not really sure why you posted that, as it doesn't change anything I said. >_>
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    Going by the Lodestone can be unreliable at times due to either slow update times or characters being on jobs other than their main role. That's my main gripe against it.

    As for reposting the setup, I'm anal about the little details. Or rather, I'm getting frustrated that I'm providing evidence and parses to back up my case while people are telling me I'm wrong and are just dissecting what I'm bringing to the table instead of also showing evidence in favour of their case. It's honestly pissing me off and I want to see exactly where and why one rotation is better than the other. So far, I have ideas based on what was previously stated but that is not enough for me. I want to see the picture as a whole before scrutinizing over every little detail.
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    I used the krietor's guide, but with my gear, i must change my rotation to fit it against bosses or mechanics, also my gear too, because skill speed is a dead weight :/.
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    These are pretty noobish questions, but I'd like to know for sure..

    Battle Voice.. Do you have to use this before you start singing for the effect, or can you use BV while a song is being played to gain the effect as well?

    I tend to BV first then sing, but this wastes a couple of seconds, just wondering if that's what you are supposed to do not..

    Second noobish question..

    Straight Shot procs.. If you get a lot of these it's a real drain on TP.. Should they be popped everytime until TP is an issue or right before you're about to lose the proc.. I kinda do it both ways depending on the fight.. Just trying to find general consensus on this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by whiskeybravo View Post
    These are pretty noobish questions, but I'd like to know for sure..

    Battle Voice.. Do you have to use this before you start singing for the effect, or can you use BV while a song is being played to gain the effect as well?

    I tend to BV first then sing, but this wastes a couple of seconds, just wondering if that's what you are supposed to do not..

    Second noobish question..

    Straight Shot procs.. If you get a lot of these it's a real drain on TP.. Should they be popped everytime until TP is an issue or right before you're about to lose the proc.. I kinda do it both ways depending on the fight.. Just trying to find general consensus on this.
    Use BV after you sing, for the same reason you stated ^^ (to save those seconds)

    As for procs, I just pop them every time it comes up - it's extra DPS that is <3 (esp when the proc spams itself o_o). You can always sing Army's Paeon to get your own TP back (I do). I think the general consensus is the same, but I don't want to put words in anyone's mouth (it's just so much that I've gathered)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ooshima View Post
    Unfortunately I'm not on Steam (nor use it) so I can't be there. Anyways I don't think there's really a thing called spike/sustained for BRD. Eventually it comes down to the application of buffs and ensuring that your DoTs are always buffed when possible, and a priority system. We don't have a large standard deviation in our damage range and what causes the most deviation is BL procs.

    However, what makes a significant difference here is that in an actual battle, like coil, you have to incorporate X-Pot usage into your buff rotation and opener. In your DoT opener, it is a waste of X-Pot time because aren't fully abusing it. If you are trying to do those things and "spreading things out" for so called "sustained damage" then you aren't maximizing your pot. That is why you will see top end game bards deploy an opener that allows them to dump the most amount of damage possible from the start, fully utilizing the X-Pot buff.ve seen it, and I've been interested for awhile. The most ideal situation is having Raging Strikes, IR , Hawk's Eye and BfB up for the entire duration of the X-Pot, fully abusing it and hoping that you get BL procs and Straighter Shot procs. For me, if I get lucky with procs during openers, I may very well be floating around 480-510 ish range with the crappy IL120 bow and around IL113ish gears for 1.5 mins to 2 mins into the fight before normalizing.

    As a side talk, can't wait to get the Yoichi Bow and see more pewpewpew. No intention to upgrade the Magitek Bow, just going to use twine for armor.
    Have you ever posted your opener? I don't think I've seen it, and I'm curious what it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AkashiXI View Post
    Have you ever posted your opener? I don't think I've seen it, and I'm curious what it is.
    This.

    If one is going to claim that one opener is weaker than the other, the least they can do is provide their opener so other BRDs can see the differences for themselves.
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