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    Estellise Valesti
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    I played the original FFIV and the DS version and in both instances Cure and Cure 2 on Cecil were rather pointless. Even if they do heal more than what a Paladin does in this game, in FFIV he was better of either attacking, using cover, or casting a protective spell. He didn't learn Protect or Shell in the original FFIV, but still had Esuna. Esuna was by far his best spell in that game.

    Just looking at the numbers doesn't really tell you much. Just because numbers are higher it doesn't mean it's more useful. Rosa is such a strong WHM in FFIV that Cure and Cure 2 on Cecil were almost never used. Though it was nice to have someone else who could heal in the menu, and not waste Rosa's MP...
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    Reynhart Kristensen
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    Quote Originally Posted by VanilleFang View Post
    I played the original FFIV and the DS version and in both instances Cure and Cure 2 on Cecil were rather pointless
    Hmmm, no, if you've really played FFIV DS, you can't say Cure is pointless. It's easy to heal more than one thousand HP with a single Cure at lvl99 and more than two thousands with Cura.
    In the DS remake, Cecil is ridiculously overpowered..

    Quote Originally Posted by VanilleFang View Post
    Rosa is such a strong WHM in FFIV that Cure and Cure 2 on Cecil were almost never used. Though it was nice to have someone else who could heal in the menu, and not waste Rosa's MP...
    Yes, it's nice, and don't forget that sometimes, you don't have a WHM to heal, wether because it's dead or you don't have one in the group. It would be if we can take care of some backup heal, and we're far from it now.
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    Last edited by Reynhart; 12-15-2014 at 04:05 AM.

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    Synestr Ashbringer
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reynhart View Post
    Hmmm, no, if you've really played FFIV DS, you can't say Cure is pointless. It's easy to heal more than one thousand HP with a single Cure at lvl99 and more than two thousands with Cura.
    In the DS remake, Cecil is ridiculously overpowered..


    Yes, it's nice, and don't forget that sometimes, you don't have a WHM to heal, wether because it's dead or you don't have one in the group. It would be if we can take care of some backup heal, and we're far from it now.
    This is maybe why we should have battle raise. If the WHM goes down, and you have no SMN in the group (4 man), then just wipe. If we could toss the rez to the heals, that would be nice. Just a thought.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Synestr View Post
    This is maybe why we should have battle raise. If the WHM goes down, and you have no SMN in the group (4 man), then just wipe. If we could toss the rez to the heals, that would be nice. Just a thought.
    The "battle" raise should simply be abolished. It's stupid than CNJ needs a trait while ACN can cast in combat with no issue.
    In fact, they should have replace this trait with an Area Stoneskin (Out of combat only) and not create Stoneskin II.
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    Milleus Vionnet
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reynhart View Post
    The "battle" raise should simply be abolished. It's stupid than CNJ needs a trait while ACN can cast in combat with no issue.
    In fact, they should have replace this trait with an Area Stoneskin (Out of combat only) and not create Stoneskin II.
    It's not stupid..

    CNJ needs a trait for combat raise because raise is a cross class skill. the trait is meant to allow only CNJ to do combat raise.
    ACN resurrection can't be cross class, thus there's no need for a trait to make it class specific since it already is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Milleus View Post
    CNJ needs a trait for combat raise because raise is a cross class skill.
    Yes it's a cross-class...and the only job that can use it is PLD

    And by the way, by the time CNJ can even "battle" raise, it's only two levels before jobs totally replace classes.

    And there's only ONE content where you can battle raise and still uses classes. So, basically, the trait is made so that Conjurer is the only one who can use Raise during battle in Haukke Manor.
    Not really worth it...
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    Last edited by Reynhart; 12-17-2014 at 03:13 AM.