Do Paladins want Cure?

[Steady]

I'm a Warrior who also has a Paladin. While I love Stoneskin, and I recall playing Paladin in FFXI, I find myself wondering.. do Paladins really want cure?

And I don't mean cure necessarily as it is now, but cure in regards to one that would make a significant gain to want to use the ability.

In FFXI, Curing was as much a part of aggro management as Flash is, but today it's kinda an after thought that helps in lowbie dungeons. In truth, I'm not even sure giving Paladins Cure II would be a significant enough healing increase to warrant use, unless they start scaling it off of another stat. In FFXI it scaled off MND for casting and VIT for receiving, if i recall right.

So, do you want cures? As it stands, getting off a stoneskin is usually reserved for off tanking and between boss animations.. so I'm not sure you wouldn't be interupted anyhow.

[SpookyGhost]

I think Stoneskin fits better as a magical ability for Paladins in this game than Cure. I'd actually like it if PLD were able to cross class mitigation tools (E4E, Virus, etc.) but they're currently limited to CNJ and MRD, only one of which has spells and that one doesn't have native mitigation spells outside of SS. I think PLD would get more out of Arcanist but obviously that wouldn't fit thematically. Maybe PLD will get more native spells in the expansion that allow them to aid their party (like how Stoneskin does now).

[GeekMatt]

More utility skills for protecting/supporting the party is what I'm desperately hoping for for PLD, something like Cover but with more practical usage. As for curing, there's definitely times I wish I could cast a practical heal, but I'd more enjoy the ability to prevent damage.

[PWilson]

Cure is simply not effective as a PLD. I still have it as a cross-class skill, but I never use it because a 150 heal when I have 7k+ hp is a waste of time.

[Steady]

Cure is simply not effective as a PLD. I still have it as a cross-class skill, but I never use it because a 150 heal when I have 7k+ hp is a waste of time.

My initial post already stated that fact. My question was... if curing yourself was viable.. would you want it? If Curing yourself did, say as much as a stoneskin (10%), would that be a utility you'd enjoy using, or would it just be a redundancy you wouldn't use?

Arguably due to interruption in cast times, Stoneskin is a little more viable, as you can only cast while not being attacked, and your likely topped off when not being attacked.

[Eye_Gore]

If cure did 10% of your HP, who wouldn't want it? Though there would need to be a limit I think or else PLD would pretty much be an invincible wrecking machine. Like the person above said he has over 7k HP that would mean over 700hp restore with one cure, using convalescence, a few extra casts and you would be back at full HP.

[Steady]

If cure did 10% of your HP, who wouldn't want it? Though there would need to be a limit I think or else PLD would pretty much be an invincible wrecking machine. Like the person above said he has over 7k HP that would mean over 700hp restore with one cure, using convalescence, a few extra casts and you would be back at full HP.

But you can get interrupted casting spells. It's utility would be limited to the Shield/Parry and not being attacked at all. There would be times when it'd be better to cure yourself and times when better to stoneskin yourself. So at best it would get used as often as stoneskin... at worse, you'd use it as Off tank to assist., or to top off your heal with your taking no damage at all.

That an even a 700hp cure is pretty modest. Infact I'd argue that's what cure 1 should be for Paladins now, it's currently half of that.

[Cabalabob]

450~ cures I think would be perfectly reasonable, that's about half the effectiveness of stoneskin and would be over the effectiveness of stoneskin during convalesence. That fits the MP cost and while it wouldn't be enough to make you self-sufficient for heals it would definitely make your survivability go up.

[PWilson]

My question was... if curing yourself was viable.. would you want it? If Curing yourself did, say as much as a stoneskin (10%), would that be a utility you'd enjoy using, or would it just be a redundancy you wouldn't use?

Oh.

Hell yes. Especially for 8-man content, having a good heal spell would be awesome.
It wouldn't exactly be fair, though. I mean, Scholars are the only ones who can do every role, let's not take that away from them.

[Synestr]

But you can get interrupted casting spells. It's utility would be limited to the Shield/Parry and not being attacked at all. There would be times when it'd be better to cure yourself and times when better to stoneskin yourself. So at best it would get used as often as stoneskin... at worse, you'd use it as Off tank to assist., or to top off your heal with your taking no damage at all.

That an even a 700hp cure is pretty modest. Infact I'd argue that's what cure 1 should be for Paladins now, it's currently half of that.

Well, you could always stun lock a mob for a period to top off. Most, not all bosses can be stunned. Also timing your cast when they are charging up works too. The cure thing is definitely an XI thing, it worked well there as it was designed to do so. I don't think we should have cure as PLD in IV, it's not our place, plus the time to cast is lost time performing RoH combo for threat.

Give me instead, something like Reprisal. Shield spikes...yea. That was pretty awesome.