Real Money to Get In-Game Currency: Eternal Bond Edition

[Taliph]

2 posts above the one you all quoted.

The thing here is, as the negative (debate term, meaning against the status quo) we only have to prove one case of pay to win, as the affirmative (For the status quo) you have to disprove all cases of pay to win.
My argument:
Indirect RMT by definition is pay to win.

My case:
Experience pots are commonly used examples of pay to win. Evidence

Indirect RMT (buying of an item with real life currency to sell for ingame currency) in this game can purchase all the leve items to level a craft or gathering job. Evidence

Selling EB bracelets for Gil is indirect RMT as defined above.

Case closed.

That's without considering buying ilvl 110 to bypass gearing, buying carries to bypass engame walls, etc

Edit to add: can you people explain how leveraging real life money for an in game advantage is not pay to win? I have certainly shown, with evidence, where advantage is gained by real life money.

[Teryaani]

2 posts above the one you all quoted.

That's without considering buying ilvl 110 to bypass gearing, buying carries to bypass engame walls, etc

Edit to add: can you people explain how leveraging real life money for an in game advantage is not pay to win? I have certainly shown, with evidence, where advantage is gained by real life money.

The first link is an empty search when I click on it and the second link takes me to ffxiv guild's levemetes page. Somehow I don't think those were what you were hoping to show. I can't judge anything by those.

I can explain that that the eternal bond bracelet trading is an unintended consequence of how they designed the eternal bond system. One that is going to be fixed. As long as square fixes what they have said is broken, I'm going to say that they still are keeping that promise.

[Taliph]

The first link is an empty search when I click on it and the second link takes me to ffxiv guild's levemetes page. Somehow I don't think those were what you were hoping to show. I can't judge anything by those.

I can explain that that the eternal bond bracelet trading is an unintended consequence of how they designed the eternal bond system. One that is going to be fixed. As long as square fixes what they have said is broken, I'm going to say that they still are keeping that promise.

Sorry, I didn't realize SE's search didn't save with the unique search I'd, it was a list of posts where people use the terms "experience potion" and "P2W" while not an exhaustive search it still proves that point.

The second link is working properly, the information in that page and linked page prove that fishing and crafting leve items are easily purchased with Gil. Which proves that point.

[ShinigamiZero]

It still doesn't change the fact that its pay to win. The point is you can buy clears or gear with stats with gil earned from the cash shop. It's a legal way to do the same thing as RMTs. Why you want to defend that is beyond me. Let's defend paying more cause that's logical. SE doesn't care about you, they are a business; so stop white knighting.