Real Money to Get In-Game Currency: Eternal Bond Edition

[Taliph]

People have been selling runs for over a year, long before the cash shop existed. They will continue to sell runs after people stop selling bracelets.

This is nothing new.

The thing here is, as the negative (debate term, meaning against the status quo) we only have to prove one case of pay to win, as the affirmative (For the status quo) you have to disprove all cases of pay to win.
My argument:
Indirect RMT by definition is pay to win.

My case:
Experience pots are commonly used examples of pay to win. Evidence

Indirect RMT (buying of an item with real life currency to sell for ingame currency) in this game can purchase all the leve items to level a craft or gathering job. Evidence

Selling EB bracelets for Gil is indirect RMT as defined above.

Case closed.

Edit to add: to the gms, you guys did ask players to not sell them, but you also say that you are monitoring the situation... Hard to do when you keep locking threads that this is being discussed in.

[Venos]

Hard to do when you keep locking threads that this is being discussed in.

We get, you don't like what people are doing with their money. However, there doesn't have to be 2145762456248 threads about the same thing, that's been talked about.. to death. The whole first 2 pages of the general discussion doesn't have to be about this, like its the only thing in the whole damn game....

[Taliph]

We get, you don't like what people are doing with their money. However, there doesn't have to be 2145762456248 threads about the same thing, that's been talked about.. to death. The whole first 2 pages of the general discussion doesn't have to be about this, like its the only thing in the whole damn game....

I could care less about what people do with their money, fools and their money are soon parted.

What I care about is that content can be skipped with real money when yoshi specificly stated he wouldn't put that in the cash shop

[Venos]

I could care less about what people do with their money, fools and their money are soon parted.

Omg, I could really go into deep discussion about this comment, but I'm not. I'll just keep laughing and shaking my head.

What I care about is that content can be skipped with real money when yoshi specificly stated he wouldn't put that in the cash shop

Say what?? Please tell me how this is possible, how can you skip content with real money? -_-

[Teryaani]

I could care less about what people do with their money, fools and their money are soon parted.

I'll say it again, insulting those that use the cash shop doesn't sell your argument.

What I care about is that content can be skipped with real money when yoshi specificly stated he wouldn't put that in the cash shop

I don't see how vanity items help you clear turn 9. Please enlighten us.

[ShinigamiZero]

I'll say it again, insulting those that use the cash shop doesn't sell your argument.



I don't see how vanity items help you clear turn 9. Please enlighten us.

Let me explain it to you in the most easy way I can considering you still didn't catch on.

1) Buy item from cash shop
2) Sell item for gil (if dye, trade item to person. They dye it and trade it back for gil)
3) Now that you have lots of gil without earning it its time to spend it on something.
4) I'm stuck on turn 5. I'll buy a run. Hmm I could also buy all the runs in second coils too. I'll buy some more items to convert to gil. Oh Shiva now drops better weapons I can just buy a run for that too. Why not I have lots of gil converted from items from the cash shop.

[Black91CRX]

1) Buy item from cash shop
2) Sell item for gil (if dye, trade item to person. They dye it and trade it back for gil)
3) Now that you have lots of gil without earning it its time to spend it on something.
4) I'm stuck on turn 5. I'll buy a run. Hmm I could also buy all the runs in second coils too. I'll buy some more items to convert to gil. Oh Shiva now drops better weapons I can just buy a run for that too. Why not I have lots of gil converted from items from the cash shop.

So bad players get good loot. Who cares? You can't buy skill. All those people can do is AFK in their shiny gear. Which is pretty pathetic if you ask me.

[ShinigamiZero]

So bad players get good loot. Who cares? You can't buy skill. All those people can do is AFK in their shiny gear. Which is pretty pathetic if you ask me.

I care when they end up on my runs or get picked up as replacements for statics without having the base skills from learning the content.

[Teryaani]

Let me explain it to you in the most easy way I can considering you still didn't catch on.

1) Buy item from cash shop
2) Sell item for gil (if dye, trade item to person. They dye it and trade it back for gil)
3) Now that you have lots of gil without earning it its time to spend it on something.
4) I'm stuck on turn 5. I'll buy a run. Hmm I could also buy all the runs in second coils too. I'll buy some more items to convert to gil. Oh Shiva now drops better weapons I can just buy a run for that too. Why not I have lots of gil converted from items from the cash shop.

I can explain that that the eternal bond bracelet trading is an unintended consequence of how they designed the eternal bond system. One that is going to be fixed. As long as square fixes what they have said is broken, I'm going to say that they still are keeping that promise.

Regarding the dyeing, players can earn way more money with other crafting than they can with those dyes and it costs them $0. All above board and legal. I haven't seen any calls for it on Siren, and I'm betting it's not the profit center you think it is (again, there are way more lucrative and efficient ways to earn the gil needed to buy a run). I'll grant you that it's possible to earn gil using real money. it's just a tremendously inefficient way to do it.

Edit: Actually, I'd love to see them bundle the dye selling with the bracelet selling as a reportable offense. That would be the fastest way to close that loophole.

[ShinigamiZero]

Regarding the dyeing, players can earn way more money with other crafting than they can with those dyes and it costs them $0. All above board and legal. I haven't seen any calls for it on Siren, and I'm betting it's not the profit center you think it is (again, there are way more lucrative and efficient ways to earn the gil needed to buy a run). I'll grant you that it's possible to earn gil using real money. it's just a tremendously inefficient way to do it.

Edit: Actually, I'd love to see them bundle the dye selling with the bracelet selling as a reportable offense. That would be the fastest way to close that loophole.

They should have made it untradeable and made the dye bound to the person who dyed it to fix that problem I think. It would definitely fix that loophole.