Real Money to Get In-Game Currency: Eternal Bond Edition

[tocsin]

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for one, the game is already inequitable to players with actual jobs. this helps even the playing field.

second, can you please tell me how this hurts you personally? do you not like more people being eligible to wipe on coil runs? or is it just jealousy?

third, Wealthy IRL players are what keep this game running. if a wealthy person pays five hundred dollars for in game currency, and gets to wipe in final coil as a reward, that keeps my game running, and is beneficial to me.

I have already seen the effect. my stuff has moved about five times faster since patch 2.45 than before, which means more gil for me, and more progression for me.

I personally hope they expand this. it has been shown to work in other subscription games, and has been positive on their respective economies.

[TurnBased]

It doesn't need to be game breaking to be Pay to Win.

The issue is not about the Gold and Platinum plans being locked behind a paywall. It's about the bracelets being tradeable, which the devs have admitted were not meant to be sold for gil.

[FateAudax]

It doesn't need to be game breaking to be Pay to Win.

So may I ask what exactly are these people who sells the Eternal Bond band are winning?

Also please note that SE does not condone selling of the band. It's the player's choice to sell the band, exactly the same as players who are selling carries.

[TurnBased]

Pay to Win = an in-game advantage purchased with real life money.

Bracelet sellers have an advantage over those who make money through in-game means

Also please note that SE does not condone selling of the band. It's the player's choice to sell the band, exactly the same as players who are selling carries.

Yes and they have acknowledged that if it continues to be a problem then they will patch it. Players need to be vocal for this to happen.

There is no issue with buying / selling carries as long as the gil was obtained through in-game means (crafting, desynth, spiritbond etc)

[FateAudax]

Pay to Win = an in-game advantage purchased with real life money.

Bracelet sellers have an advantage over those who make money through in-game means



Yes and they have acknowledged that if it continues to be a problem then they will patch it. Players need to be vocal for this to happen.

There is no issue with buying / selling carries as long as the gil was obtained through in-game means (crafting, desynth, spiritbond etc)

Gils used to purchase the eternal bond bands was obtained through in-game means too. Where's the point of argument?

[TurnBased]

^Eternal Bands were purchased with real life money. It is the sellers who have the advantage, not the buyers

[FateAudax]

^Eternal Bands were purchased with real life money. It is the sellers who have the advantage, not the buyers

Yes, so what's the concern then? What advantage does the seller have? More gils than you?

[TurnBased]

Yes

Again, it does not have to be game breaking to be P2W.

[tocsin]

Yes

Again, it does not have to be game breaking to be P2W.

if it isn't game breaking, its P2P, Pay to Progress, not P2W. P2W requires winning, which means breaking the game.

We proved a few pages ago that there is no conceivable way for gil alone to break the game or win the game, especially in such small amounts as they are selling for, so these bracelets alone are not P2W.

Next argument!

I'm sorry to be attempting to shut down this line of though, but we have been over it like 40 times already, and I want to see something new come out of my clicking on the thread sub.

[Magis]

if it isn't game breaking, its P2P, Pay to Progress, not P2W. P2W requires winning, which means breaking the game.

You have received an advantage, you have skipped the time investment compared to other players. You can get the best gear, both in combat and crafting classes with melded gear. You can skip large portions of the relic grind by just purchasing the materia vs grinding it. As well, you beat out other players in buying things like housing, materials, minions, etc without having to actually do anything besides punch in your credit card. You are literally paying to advance yourself in FFXIV. While you can't "win" in an MMO since there is no end, you are winning at the main point of the game which is advancement. Especially when it comes to things that are in directed competition with other players, IE the market. Cool, you can now buy the best house in the district, while those guys grinding and farming to get the money get screwed over. But it's not p2w guys.

This doesn't even cover the fact that this is being done while everyone pays a subscription fee. P2W wouldn't be as much as a problem if we weren't already paying a sub on top of things.

It's funny how those goal posts keep moving. Everyone was saying "oh it won't be P2W", and now it's "p2w is actually good guys".