Real Money to Get In-Game Currency: Eternal Bond Edition

[MomomiMomi]

I don't see what the big deal is either, gil isn't gonna get you anything that will break the game. Maybe help people finish of novus or something but nothing game breaking.

It completely breaks the market dynamic, which is a huge portion of the game for a lot of players.

[greekgeek]

It completely breaks the market dynamic, which is a huge portion of the game for a lot of players.

Right now alot of prices are higher then ever, stuff is moving more regularly so as someone that crafts alot I have no complaints.

[ZanaAmariyo]

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No.
Let's say person A bought a wedding bracelet and wants to sell it, because he wants to make some gil. Person B gives him whatever amount of gil that person B already has. This amount of gil didn't just suddenly appear out of thin air, it is simply changing hands.
Now let's say that person A crafted an expensive glowy primal weapon and wants to sell it, again because he wants to make some gil. Person B buys his weapon, and once again there is no amount of gil being added to the economy out of nowhere. It's the same scenario except for the fact that in the first example, person A is selling what is basically an ingame service. Neither of these things can be resold after being used, so person B won't be able to "get them for free" as he obviously can't resell them to another person after using them.
So tell me, how does this break the market dynamic any more than the ingame items that are already being sold on the market ?

[MomomiMomi]

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It's demand for items with real world value, a currency that doesn't even exist within the game. That breaks the game's market. What makes them valuable is nowhere to be found in the game.

EDIT: Rather, I should say a currency that didn't (or wasn't supposed to; there was already RMT) exist within the game. It does now. This is a complete change to the market, ignoring RMT activity.

[tocsin]

It completely breaks the market dynamic, which is a huge portion of the game for a lot of players.

Actually, it ties the in-game currency to a real world currency, which, like a gold standard, actually strengthens the market dynamic. it can lead to deflation, making what gil SE gives us worth more.

Times where the economy has been tied to the gold standard have been some of the most stable periods in history. maybe this will stabilize the in game markets as well.

[Bishop81]

Actually, it ties the in-game currency to a real world currency, which, like a gold standard, actually strengthens the market dynamic. it can lead to deflation, making what gil SE gives us worth more.

Times where the economy has been tied to the gold standard have been some of the most stable periods in history. maybe this will stabilize the in game markets as well.

Which is why many countries' currencies are still tied to the gold standar ... oh wait.

Ezorea is a separate world, we play it because it's a separate world.

What next? You got to send $€ a video of you benching 400lbs to be a good WAR?

[tocsin]

Which is why many countries' currencies are still tied to the gold standar ... oh wait.

Ezorea is a separate world, we play it because it's a separate world.

What next? You got to send $€ a video of you benching 400lbs to be a good WAR?

I actually play it because its fun. I'm not sure why you do though.

and the reasoning why current countries are not tied to the gold standard is because the rise of debt in world economies has led to countries having to print money to cover their own costs. this inflated money, and the elimination of the gold standard allowed for countries to print more money without requiring it be backed by anything.

bad politics aside, SE doesnt have in game dbts, so a gold standard can work in game. EVE online does it, and has one of the strongest economies of any game out there. We arent the size or quality of EVE, as FFXIV is an inferior game in terms of economic quality and server density, however the method still applies.

[Bishop81]

I actually play it because its fun. I'm not sure why you do though.

and the reasoning why current countries are not tied to the gold standard is because the rise of debt in world economies has led to countries having to print money to cover their own costs. this inflated money, and the elimination of the gold standard allowed for countries to print more money without requiring it be backed by anything.

bad politics aside, SE doesnt have in game dbts, so a gold standard can work in game. EVE online does it, and has one of the strongest economies of any game out there. We arent the size or quality of EVE, as FFXIV is an inferior game in terms of economic quality and server density, however the method still applies.

I play it for fun too.

But what fun is there if the playing field isn't somewhat level. Do you think a scrawny 14 year old who is just learning the ropes will have fun fighting against Mike Tyson in his prime?

RL rich people will be the Mike Tysons of this game's economy.

You also forgot to mention gold backed money isn't 100% stable either, discovery of gold deposits will upset the value.

Technically all money is fiat money, even gold ... which is way over valued given it's utility to man. Money has no intrinsic value. Money is just a promise to pay in goods and services. The US dollar is backed by the capacity of the USA to produce goods and services of value.

[Neira]

This argument is about thresholds, where everyone's personal point of breaking is. Nothing has changed except how it now -personally- affects all of us. I am against any extra real money involved beyond account services, but I'd much prefer the items being sellable/tradable if there is going to be a cash shop.

The pay gate is a -genuine- lock against certain content being received if you can not afford it, while the advantage of being able to spend money to get gil is a limited one. There is only so far someone can go in this game with gil, and there is nothing stopping anyone else here from being on equal grounds if they work. I will admit we all don't have the time to make hundreds of millions of gil, if you can admit that someone with that much gil has a minor advantage and does not possess anything that is impossible to obtain.

[SinisterIsBack]

I play it for fun too.

But what fun is there if the playing field isn't somewhat level. Do you think a scrawny 14 year old who is just learning the ropes will have fun fighting against Mike Tyson in his prime?

RL rich people will be the Mike Tysons of this game's economy.

You also forgot to mention gold backed money isn't 100% stable either, discovery of gold deposits will upset the value.

Technically all money is fiat money, even gold ... which is way over valued given it's utility to man. Money has no intrinsic value. Money is just a promise to pay in goods and services. The US dollar is backed by the capacity of the USA to produce goods and services of value.

So let me try to understand this a bit, you don't think that everyone having the option to buy something off of the mog station is a level field? Because people are selling these wedding bands that the playing field has somehow been skewed?

Do you think that people who sell new crafted stuff for high gil prices are Mike Tysons' too? To me it seems that anyone who has more gil than you, in your terms, is considered a Mike Tyson.

A 14 year old can make as much gil as anyone else on any server with the right amount of time and effort so I don't really see your point.

What exactly do you want level (in terms of a playing field)??