Real Money to Get In-Game Currency: Eternal Bond Edition

[Venos]

I could care less about what people do with their money, fools and their money are soon parted.

Omg, I could really go into deep discussion about this comment, but I'm not. I'll just keep laughing and shaking my head.

What I care about is that content can be skipped with real money when yoshi specificly stated he wouldn't put that in the cash shop

Say what?? Please tell me how this is possible, how can you skip content with real money? -_-

[Teryaani]

I could care less about what people do with their money, fools and their money are soon parted.

I'll say it again, insulting those that use the cash shop doesn't sell your argument.

What I care about is that content can be skipped with real money when yoshi specificly stated he wouldn't put that in the cash shop

I don't see how vanity items help you clear turn 9. Please enlighten us.

[KodiHivaer]

I could care less about what people do with their money, fools and their money are soon parted.

What I care about is that content can be skipped with real money when yoshi specificly stated he wouldn't put that in the cash shop

He said there's NO PAY TO WIN which there isn't, it's not giving anyone a stat, better armor or benefits of allowing people to skip things like TbcoB.
Not that he wouldn't sell them, since his announcement at the fanfestival.

[Neira]

What I care about is that content can be skipped with real money when yoshi specificly stated he wouldn't put that in the cash shop

Wasn't it also stated that there would be no cash shop?

Also, why are so many people unable to just go along playing and let this one drop? Why is it that the hardcore crowd came out en masse when it became possible for people to make gil through the cash shop but just shrugged off all of the vanity items available? Nothing has changed. It's still people with real money having an opportunity to access content they otherwise couldn't; just because the vanity wasn't important to some of you doesn't mean it wasn't important. I personally couldn't care less if someone bought their way into the -first- clear of the next FCoB equivalent.

[Cid_Grim]

Obviously I read the thread title. You guys are still making a mountain out of a mole hill.

[Taliph]

2 posts above the one you all quoted.

The thing here is, as the negative (debate term, meaning against the status quo) we only have to prove one case of pay to win, as the affirmative (For the status quo) you have to disprove all cases of pay to win.
My argument:
Indirect RMT by definition is pay to win.

My case:
Experience pots are commonly used examples of pay to win. Evidence

Indirect RMT (buying of an item with real life currency to sell for ingame currency) in this game can purchase all the leve items to level a craft or gathering job. Evidence

Selling EB bracelets for Gil is indirect RMT as defined above.

Case closed.

That's without considering buying ilvl 110 to bypass gearing, buying carries to bypass engame walls, etc

Edit to add: can you people explain how leveraging real life money for an in game advantage is not pay to win? I have certainly shown, with evidence, where advantage is gained by real life money.

[Teryaani]

2 posts above the one you all quoted.

That's without considering buying ilvl 110 to bypass gearing, buying carries to bypass engame walls, etc

Edit to add: can you people explain how leveraging real life money for an in game advantage is not pay to win? I have certainly shown, with evidence, where advantage is gained by real life money.

The first link is an empty search when I click on it and the second link takes me to ffxiv guild's levemetes page. Somehow I don't think those were what you were hoping to show. I can't judge anything by those.

I can explain that that the eternal bond bracelet trading is an unintended consequence of how they designed the eternal bond system. One that is going to be fixed. As long as square fixes what they have said is broken, I'm going to say that they still are keeping that promise.

[Taliph]

The first link is an empty search when I click on it and the second link takes me to ffxiv guild's levemetes page. Somehow I don't think those were what you were hoping to show. I can't judge anything by those.

I can explain that that the eternal bond bracelet trading is an unintended consequence of how they designed the eternal bond system. One that is going to be fixed. As long as square fixes what they have said is broken, I'm going to say that they still are keeping that promise.

Sorry, I didn't realize SE's search didn't save with the unique search I'd, it was a list of posts where people use the terms "experience potion" and "P2W" while not an exhaustive search it still proves that point.

The second link is working properly, the information in that page and linked page prove that fishing and crafting leve items are easily purchased with Gil. Which proves that point.

[ShinigamiZero]

It still doesn't change the fact that its pay to win. The point is you can buy clears or gear with stats with gil earned from the cash shop. It's a legal way to do the same thing as RMTs. Why you want to defend that is beyond me. Let's defend paying more cause that's logical. SE doesn't care about you, they are a business; so stop white knighting.

[ShinigamiZero]

Not everyone has crafting leveled to the point of it being very profitable. If you want to make the most out of crafting you need to invest into the best gear and meld it. Dyes are not as much because it's like one dollar for one. Needless to say I have seen people selling one for at least 500k. That makes the exchange 1 dollar = 500k. spend 5 dollars and do the math. You can't deny the wedding bands aren't selling for over 5 million+ each.