Dragoon: top dps and easiest melee class by far ?

[Hammerfist]

They could have given 9999 potency to Jump while they were at it.

[Casper]

I'm just fucking disgusted by the incredible lack of objectivity of 80% of the dragoon that care to post. Acting like jutsu are as easy to manage as other off GCD ability is absolute nonsense -- they all share their CD, for one, so you need to keep your rotation straight, and you need to do it as quickly as possible, because they will eat your GCD no matter what, so you can't slack, and if you ever double tap one button you fucked it up and lose a HUGE amount of dps ; and you need in all that to account for any lag spike that will fuck it up. Yes, by getting used to it it becomes easier, but it's still 10 times harder to use than any other GCD action, and not accounting for this difficulty and saying "lol nin zero positionnal" is pure nonsense.

Also the whole reason drg were crying is because they got punished too hard for missing one positionnal. Guess what ? It's now 7 times harsher to miss nin positionnal attack than to miss drg ones (5 dps vs 35).

But yeah keep telling yourself you have hard jobs and work as hard as other melee. There there. Just don't go switch it up guys -- the reality check might be brutal.

[Leonus]

Why do any of you think. mnk is hard?

Locking onto your target, hitting left or right and a attack button is not hard....


Not, being heavily punished for it either.. Peoples delusion of mnks difficulty is getting very irritating to see over and over. It's becoming more and more apparent that this community has way too many crybabies.

They buffed GL for mnk before because people cried it was too hard to maintain.

They nerfed ninja because it was too easy.

They finally buffed drg and eased the positional requirements. Now people want the boosted damage nerfed.

I want mnk to be nerfed by shortening GL, it is now my goal to cry about it until it happens.

Half of you guys feel so fuckin entitled to do more damage than someone else because of your illusion of working harder to do what is quite simply, easy shit. All any of you think about is being at the top of a parse and who you feel you should be out damaging. Get over yourselves.

None of the melee classes are hard. Mnk can execute their positionals from anywhere and only suffer a potency loss. Nin, by and large has almost no positionals (offset by mudras). Why should drg continue to be the only class so heavily punished my missing their KEY positional attacks? Or be unable to get the benefit from them at all?

Not even a full day and a thread like this already up?!

How about SE make every positional on every class mandatory or you get 0 damage from it at all. That should make everything fair between all the melee classes right? No one could possibly complain then, right? RIGHT?

Jeezus

[beowulf81]

i don't know why any dragoon would complain about nin being op before this nerf, i certainly didn't, and i see the nerf, as minor as it may be, to be completely unnecessary.

I do remember seeing threads started by monks saying that ninja's were op for the amount of effort the job required, which again, was something i didn't agree with. Ninja was fine before the nerf, if anything what needed to be looked at was the lag affecting mudra inputs. It still needs to be looked at.

The buffs to dragoon are amazing. people whining about it now making drg easymode are forgetting that the class was complete dogshit before when compared to nin or monk; as it is now, it seems dragoon will be able to compete with monk in terms of dps output, whilst still lacking the amazing raid utility that a monk brings. And they will still have to hit positionals to maximise their dps output; granted, these requirements are not nearly as numerous or demanding of attention as those for a monk, but again, monk's have raid utility. dragoons still don't.

its just that dragoons can now pull their weight compared to ninjas and monks (at least in regards to numbers), not face absurd punishment for a missed positional or die because their mdef is dogshit. Before this patch, there was no reason why you would bring a dragoon over a ninja or monk; they were being denied places in pf groups. People that had mained drg since launch were switching to monk or ninja so they wouldn't hold back their static.

Now dragoons have competitive dps and are actually legitimately viable for endgame, and monks whine?

I didn't see any monks complaining about how difficult their rotation was before this patch. A patch which has not changed monk at all. If you play monk as well as it can be played, you will still in all likelihood be the top dps.

So why are people whining?

[TheKingSlayer]

This is hilarious, all the complaints Im reading about the drg buff are from Nins and Mnks. Dear Nins & Mnks, dont worry about your position in statics as long as you are proficient at your job you wont lose it. It now feels more balanced that equally skilled melee are all viable in a raid group. Before an equally skilled drg could not come close to the dps of an equally skilled nin or mnk.

[Nexxus]

In terms of a complete stand still fight:

MNK > DRG > NIN

MNK has the most positionals, but honestly it works like any other job where things just flow once you play it enough. DRG has a long rotation but you eventually get to the point where you don't even need to think about it. The differences are pretty minor, the main thing is that MNK has to move a lot so that puts it slightly ahead of DRG. DRG and MNK even out by the long rotation vs Mudras (same amount of muscle memory required), but DRG still has 2 positionals he needs to hit for max DPS so DRG pulls ahead by a hair.

On a random boss spinning fight/bad tank scenario:

MNK > DRG > NIN

Before it would be DRG > MNK, but now that positionals aren't required and DRGs only suffer a minor DPS loss from not hitting them, MNK remains harder due to constant positional loss. NIN has one positional so... yea.

Point is, none of them are really that demanding, though before now missing a positional as DRG meant more than it did for a MNK.

I've never played dragoon and i probably never will, but as mnk vs nin, i think that once you have learn how they both work, mnk is easier to play on a complete stand still fight where nin is still difficult as you don't have a choregraphy to execute but more of a freestyle, sometime i even forget to check if my mudras are up as i'm already on DoT/debuff (i don't trust war that say it'll will keep the debuff up... half the time...) tracking.

As a mnk, you keep everything up as long as you keep going your rotation.
As nin, you keep everything up as long as you are aware of what need to be reapplied.

also, going between back and rear isn't difficult at all, just stand at the edge of both and you probably wont move to much.

[roninoftagrm]

I was wondering how long it took for people to start crying. DRG should be the highest DPS anyway for it has the least utility. Although the buff for BRD is pretty good, but that's about it. You don't even know how this translates into DPS in the first place? Things remain the same expect for the positionals.
It's also so stupid to claim that DRG is the easiest to play. No it isn't. MNK is easy as fuck compared to DRG especially considering the margin of error.

i think with it being the melee deeps with chain/heavy armor it should be a little below the other 2, not too much, but enough to make us think: "hmmm, safer and slightly weaker or strong and on the floor"(as others put)

though i equally agree that the guy/girl with the giant spear should outperform all but BLM

[Sequora]

I for one don't think that DPS ranking should necessarily come from which job is "more complex". I think it should be based on what they bring to the table. NIN's have an insane amount of utility, MNKs have a fair amount. DRGs have minimal raid utility. I also dislike that casters are typically lower because they're considered "easier" because their damage isn't really effected by their distance from the boss. I personally dislike playing melee classes.

[SpookyGhost]

Again, it's a hair width of difficulty between each job, so if it's NIN > MNK > DRG or MNK > NIN > DRG or whatever it doesn't really matter. They're all pretty easy so arguing which is more difficult is trivial at best. DRG no longer has positional requirements and can do more DPS - does it really matter to NIN and MNK? Really, does it? NIN still has utility in the form of Goad, a silence or a stun (DRG lacks the former), and a slashing debuff if needed. NIN also has TA which I assume will scale better than Disembowel as people get better gear (could be wrong, just seems like it would). All of them are relatively equal in terms of DPS, and DRG still even lacks group utility. None of them are in a place where they need a buff or a nerf anymore, they're all completely viable.

[Mibhas]

I think a nice change would have been to make it so that if you miss the positional, you get a huge potency drop as punishment. That would give you a lot more incentive to actually land them, rather than what we see now which is largely "you can miss it and retain most of your DPS"..