Dragoon: top dps and easiest melee class by far ?

[Riepah]

That Heavensward trailer they showed us made their plans pretty clear, they want DRGs to be everywhere.

[Atreides]

I think my biggest concern is, where does this stop? Will people start complaining that Monk positionals are too demanding and SE gets rid of those next?

Seeing how they pretty much listened to every balance related complaint when it became vocal enough I guess they will once monks start to revolt, I mean they did listen to the Nin nerf posts (made mostly by dragoons) and buff cries (also dragoons).
Granted a buff was necessary, they went over the top but whatever, I'm happy for the dragoons because the job really did lack.
Also BLM buffs came about the time where they started to complain about being behind in ST in second coil.

So who's up next?

[Casper]

So who's up next?

Well, ninjas

[HulveinBlitz]

Good DRGs were never being lazy with positionals.

Won't change a thing for us, only difference is we aren't being punished so much for NOT being able to do it.

[QCrimson]

drg, which was arguably already the easiest of the three to play

So tired of reading that. It was the most demanding class of the three.

[ViviAnimus]

I was wondering how long it took for people to start crying. DRG should be the highest DPS anyway for it has the least utility. Although the buff for BRD is pretty good, but that's about it. You don't even know how this translates into DPS in the first place? Things remain the same expect for the positionals. But if you still want to get the maximum out of your DPS you still need to flank heavy thrust and now do Chaos thrust from the back. You wouldn't believe how frustrating it is for DRG and how much of a DPS loss it is to miss your heavy thrust or impulse drive due to bad tanks or unexpected movement. It really is out of your control. On top of that the DRG got a well deserved DMG boost and it SHOULD be top of melee, it's that simple.
It's also so stupid to claim that DRG is the easiest to play. No it isn't. MNK is easy as fuck compared to DRG especially considering the margin of error.

[Casper]

I was wondering how long it took for people to start crying. DRG should be the highest DPS anyway for it has the least utility. Although the buff for BRD is pretty good, but that's about it. You don't even know how this translates into DPS in the first place? Things remain the same expect for the positionals. But if you still want to get the maximum out of your DPS you still need to flank heavy thrust and now do Chaos thrust from the back. You wouldn't believe how frustrating it is for DRG and how much of a DPS loss it is to miss your heavy thrust or impulse drive due to bad tanks or unexpected movement. It really is out of your control. On top of that the DRG got a well deserved DMG boost and it SHOULD be top of melee, it's that simple.

I am not questionning the boost drg got, if you read correctly -- i am welcoming it.

Dumbing down the class by removing almost any impact on the positional is what i am questionning.

So tired of reading that. It was the most demanding class of the three.

Really ? The most demanding ? How so ? You still had only 2 positionnals to do. Assuming your tank wasn't a moron, it was a far cry from what mnk had to deal with (positionnals on all non dots attacks). If your tank was a moron, well, not "harder", you were just screwed, but you will always be anyway with a bad tank.

Anyway, it was "harsh" because mistakes costed you a lot, but you had less to care about. And if we go this route, then nin is harder: on top of mudras, we have maybe only ONE positionnal, but missing it is as harsh as a mnk missing half his positionnal for the whole minute.

[Vodomir]

I am not questionning the boost drg got, if you read correctly -- i am welcoming it.

Dumbing down the class by removing almost any impact on the positional is what i am questionning.

I don't see any real dumbing down. Good DRGs will still hit their positionals, no matter what, just because it translates to more DPS. Who cares if it's dumbed down for morons? They aren't exactly the ones with high DPS to begin with. Let them have the freedom to forego their positionals.

[ViviAnimus]

There really is no dumbing down the class. If you want to get the maximum out of your class you still have to get the heavy thrust positional and right now the Chaos Thrust. It's pretty much the same for MNK? You can bootshine from the flank but it's a DPS loss. The only difference is that your combo isn't completely fucked and you do NOT miss an enormous amount of DPS when something like that happens. And most of the time that it happens it's just not even your fault.
As a DRG you have to keep up your Heavy thrust, two dots, use of GB abilities (more than MNK), use of Life Surge, use of Power Surge ... Tell me how exactly MNK is soo much harder. You don't get it at all. MNK has positionals that are not near as punishing as DRG was.

[SpookyGhost]

Really ? The most demanding ? How so ? You still had only 2 positionnals to do. Assuming your tank wasn't a moron, it was a far cry from what mnk had to deal with (positionnals on all non dots attacks). If your tank was a moron, well, not "harder", you were just screwed, but you will always be anyway with a bad tank.

In terms of a complete stand still fight:

MNK > DRG > NIN

MNK has the most positionals, but honestly it works like any other job where things just flow once you play it enough. DRG has a long rotation but you eventually get to the point where you don't even need to think about it. The differences are pretty minor, the main thing is that MNK has to move a lot so that puts it slightly ahead of DRG. DRG and MNK even out by the long rotation vs Mudras (same amount of muscle memory required), but DRG still has 2 positionals he needs to hit for max DPS so DRG pulls ahead by a hair.

On a random boss spinning fight/bad tank scenario:

MNK > DRG > NIN

Before it would be DRG > MNK, but now that positionals aren't required and DRGs only suffer a minor DPS loss from not hitting them, MNK remains harder due to constant positional loss. NIN has one positional so... yea.

Point is, none of them are really that demanding, though before now missing a positional as DRG meant more than it did for a MNK.