Stoneskin II

[KrissKringle]

Swift song cannot be used in battle...NOW that is a design flaw. Granted, it should nerf bard DPS if used in battle to not be overpowered. But this is not a flaw, and if you believe it is, you're trolling. If you really really want them to "not have it at all" as you said, you're gonna suffer through monotonous prebuff sections before the fight. Why anyone would want that is a mystery, I don't care if it saves ten seconds only...it makes things feel more fluid and less boring and that's the bottom line.

There is no advantage to having swiftsong in battle. There is an advantage to having stoneskin in battle. Swiftsong was designed to be used outside of battle only, not for pre-engagements like stoneskin 2. And considering they already gave us an aoe version of stoneskin in the past it just doesn't make sense that they would bring it bake the way they did. It's a slap in the face to people who play whm.

[Parodine]

There is no advantage to having swiftsong in battle. There is an advantage to having stoneskin in battle. Swiftsong was designed to be used outside of battle only, not for pre-engagements like stoneskin 2. And considering they already gave us an aoe version of stoneskin in the past it just doesn't make sense that they would bring it bake the way they did. It's a slap in the face to people who play whm.

As a WHM main, I don't want AoE stoneskin during battle. Too overpowered.

Pre-enagement only prz.

[KrissKringle]

As a WHM main, I don't want AoE stoneskin during battle. Too overpowered.

Pre-enagement only prz.

As a WHM I would love having an aoe ss that could be cast occasionally... Clearly there would have to be limitations... Just as there used to be when it was in the game. Go read up on what the game used to be..

[Merylx]

As a WHM I would love having an aoe ss that could be cast occasionally... Clearly there would have to be limitations... Just as there used to be when it was in the game. Go read up on what the game used to be..

Why should anyone read up on a game that no longer exists? I don't understand your argument.

[LaralnKornera]

As a WHM I would love having an aoe ss that could be cast occasionally... Clearly there would have to be limitations... Just as there used to be when it was in the game. Go read up on what the game used to be..

Reread what you just typed. The core gameplay is completely different, an AOE stoneskin would be way too strong in the current game (ARR) it worked great in XI and 1.0 because the system allowed for such aoe abilities to exist without feeling to "OP" because of the slower paced battle systems. It seems as if you wanted something earlier than the expansion, sadly for you it won't happen. If Yoshi and the dev team gives us something in the exp, great! If the they don't whatever, i guess you just need to deal up and learn how to play WHM and utilize stoneskin efficiently rather than spamming it like an adlo.

[KrissKringle]

Reread what you just typed. The core gameplay is completely different, an AOE stoneskin would be way too strong in the current game (ARR) it worked great in XI and 1.0 because the system allowed for such aoe abilities to exist without feeling to "OP" because of the slower paced battle systems. It seems as if you wanted something earlier than the expansion, sadly for you it won't happen. If Yoshi and the dev team gives us something in the exp, great! If the they don't whatever, i guess you just need to deal up and learn how to play WHM and utilize stoneskin efficiently rather than spamming it like an adlo.

And this is why you aren't a program designer. You lack the fundamental understand to think beyond what the developers have told you. Please, keep reiterating what they have stated to seem like you make sense. My argument is simply that it was a crappy call by the devs.

[MaethusXion]

As a WHM I would love having an aoe ss that could be cast occasionally... Clearly there would have to be limitations... Just as there used to be when it was in the game. Go read up on what the game used to be..

You... just invalidated your entire argument right here...

[Keisatsu]

There is no advantage to having swiftsong in battle. There is an advantage to having stoneskin in battle. Swiftsong was designed to be used outside of battle only, not for pre-engagements like stoneskin 2. And considering they already gave us an aoe version of stoneskin in the past it just doesn't make sense that they would bring it bake the way they did. It's a slap in the face to people who play whm.

There is plenty advantage to having Swiftsong in battle (Moving out of AoE's faster for the entire group?), and while there may be an advantage to having an AoE stoneskin in battle, they decided to make it different from 1.0 version and have just this version..THIS version is only use-able outside of combat, like Swiftsong

[Edeline]

There is no advantage to having swiftsong in battle. There is an advantage to having stoneskin in battle. Swiftsong was designed to be used outside of battle only, not for pre-engagements like stoneskin 2. And considering they already gave us an aoe version of stoneskin in the past it just doesn't make sense that they would bring it bake the way they did. It's a slap in the face to people who play whm.

No it's not. As a healer, I hated to recast stoneskin 1 by 1 after every wipe, when people were just standing there waiting to pull, food buff runs out and it adds up on progression. If we had Stoneskin II in combat, that would be completely OP, WHM would only be used to cast Stoneskin II on every single attack, destroying fight intended mechanics. There's no reasoning in your argument. They added it because they listened to us, tired players with SS I. A WHM will casts Stoneskin on everybody anyway, why does it bother you that you/your whm has to only cast it once, instead of 8 (or 9+ if you care of them pets) per pull. It changes nothing in the lore. You're still a White Mage, and still with your stoneskin spell. It even surprised me how you managed to get 2 likes, like wut?

[Felis]

There is no advantage to having swiftsong in battle. There is an advantage to having stoneskin in battle. Swiftsong was designed to be used outside of battle only, not for pre-engagements like stoneskin 2. And considering they already gave us an aoe version of stoneskin in the past it just doesn't make sense that they would bring it bake the way they did. It's a slap in the face to people who play whm.

What about Hide from Rogue? It is not possible to use it during combat and there would be an adventage to use it during battle (enmity reset).
Is the fact that we can't use Hide during combat also a design flaw?