Quote Originally Posted by HakuroDK View Post
As a tank myself, all of this tank hate kinda hurts. I do my honest best to make sure the party goes at a suitable pace, but everyone's idea of a suitable pace is different. Some folks prefer to go at a slower pace and others prefer to go much faster. I have been yelled at by DPS and healers alike for NOT mass-pulling. I have been yelled at by a holy-spamming WHM for not having good survivability. I've been yelled at by enough people for trying to adopt to a playstyle that is not theirs that I've had just about enough of the tank hate.

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*Deeep breath for long winded response that probably derailed somewhere in the middle of typing and editing (don't say I didn't warn)*

In a sense, I agree, as a healer - we have the same constant hate.

You're going to have to take all of it with a grain of salt, unfortunately (everyone's probably tired of hearing that, though). Tanks and Healers are in similar positions.
I feel similarly when someone complains about healers - even more when WHMs are singled out (such as the "Abomination known as WTFWHM" thread in the healer forum. ...because Scholars don't do anything weird...?). Both healers and tanks get similar guff from all angles (from DPS, co-tank/co-healer, tank/healer) because of the massive responsibilities both hold. Clump that with immature/impatient players and behold! Commence the finger pointing! *Blows hunters horn and unleashes the hounds*
So, technically, everyone is rude to everyone.

If you do as you say you do (I'm not doubting, just adding context), then I don't see any problems. I'd give you a commendation, easy.
I do similarly - say hello, stay friendly if the group is friendly, apologize if I derp (whming or dpsing), thank for raises, commend the person who stood out most of the group (or if I liked everyone with inability to decide, I kind of eenie-meenie and hope all the commends didn't just go to the same one person for sake of fairness), thank for the party and wait till it seems everyone is ready to exit (rather than just speeding to the exit and leaving. Just feels rude when people do it).

I do the best to my ability and still get "we wiped because of shitty heals; the healers can't keep us alive; etc" and the like guff for what ever the situation is or was - while I may not be the best healer out there, I know for a fact that I do as much as possible at all times (....which I will admit always leads me to MP management issues, but we all have our pitfalls. Overzealous/overly focused supporting is mine). Prioritize heals/lifebars, keep tank/co-healer healed, stay out of AoEs, Raise ASAP and only if mp allows for it and can continued healing afterwards, don't grab aggro at the start of a pull, DPS on healing down time, 'needs of the many', there is a time to stop and run and a time to weather a hit to ensure a priority heal to someone, pop cooldowns when damage outweighs the heals, SoS for MP and enmity redux, run to the tank when you have shit munching on you, etcetcetc.

No matter what is done, it's never enough.
Tanking and healing is tough - from both skill use mechanics and from the player base. There are a lot of high expectations from both classes.

I don't give players any crap (I'll admit to thinking "wtf are you doing? x_X /fliptable" here and there) but unless the person is verbally rude first, I don't see the need to be mean to them. Maybe they didn't know a mechanic of a skill or didn't realize something (missing shield oath, etc) or hit the wrong button or just a situational issue /shrug. People are allowed to derp. Shit happens - adapt, learn something new from it and get over it, is my take. Sastasha HM's last room giant pull massacres taught me to pop Divine and/or Presence sooner than my usual habit when I realize my jaw is dropping (not secluded to just Sastasha HM. But this is kind of a weak example). Annoyed by the method of learning, but still learned from it.

There's no such thing as perfection, for any class/person, so the expectation for it is unwarranted. There are those that truly just do not give a damn and ignore all useful concepts and advice, but those are individuals - just as much as the great counterparts are. And just like everything else, the derpy fellas are the ones that stand out more.



Sorta off topic: There are "I derped" and "horror story" threads (yeah, I've added my own bad experiences, because venting is healthy, but...) - I think maybe there needs to be some "Share your 'Awesome party was awesome' stories" threads to counteract all the negatives - inject a bit of positivity for all the classes straight from the players mouths. Promote solidarity cross-class, and not just each class segregating to talk amongst themselves about the other classes.
Just a suggestion.