Isn`t just vanity. Is 2 diferent experiences and thats why is bad.

[Cyrus-Wallace]

Extra paid retainers allow players to gather more mats in ventures, not just quick ventures which are also an extra gamble chance on their own, to craft more items, and also give them up to 40 additional Marketboard slots to sell more of those items make even bigger profits. If that isn't borderline P2W, I really don't know anymore.

It's like I said, things that benefit DoL and DoH are pay to win, they have a direct impact to the game. There're several mats that drop from dungeons or have a very low rate. While you can send the all your retainers and get them for you instead. It kinda gives you an advantage over other players. Of course it's limited by ventures, but you can manage that pretty well. And I can say that because I personally bought an extra retainer since I was running out of space, then I realized the benefits of having 3 guys collecting mats for me while I do other content.

[silentwindfr]

the main trouble is what can happend if we don't say: "stop this now". you can say it's a what if... however we have precedence... we can see what they begin to plan.
then what you want we do? do we must accept to have a freemium experience into a p2p game? because this eternal bonding mess is a freemium experience.

the freemium allows you to get acces to all the content of the game... well actually it's a lie, you get acces to a... "lesser experience", if you want to get the full acces to the experience, you need either to subs or to buy a pack.
sadly we are already paying a subs, then they have gone with the pack solution. people say that Yoshida have said that the shop will allows them to make more content... seriously? i want to know something where is gone all the subs they have receive in the past year? because 1 million people paying a subs at 12 dollars means 12 millions of dollars earn per month (and we know it's far more)

i'm not stupid to think they don't invest money into the paycheck of the dev or the maintenance or the..."server". but we are 14 month (we must take out 1 month for the free month of the new player) since the release of ARR, i don't need to make math for show you how much money was gathered by them. THEY did give this number to them shareholder and can be acces to anybody on them website. the question is, why do they need the cash shop?

Final Fantasy XIV: a Realms Reborn is a succes! is not me that say it, but a lot of people. can we really "believe" that they need the cash shop for get more feature into the game?

i have said it into another thread, but player of mmorpg are not really different of the shareholder that invest money into a company like SE. instead to look for a benefit in money, we look for a benefit in gaming experience. every month, each player invest money into the game and expect to get a return onto that investement. however, the arrival of this "possible" abuse that it's the difference between normal, gold and platinum eternal bond... is something that is bad, really bad... it will have a big impact on the game, i don't say it will lead to a massive leave of the player (even if some player have already said that they want leave) but it will lead to a distrust between SE and him playerbase.

the question is more about do they want to loose the trust of them main investor (the players) of Final Fantasy 14: a Realms Reborn? because it's the player that make this game running, indeed dev add content, but if we are not enough for pay every month, you can be sure that quality and the quantity of the content added will fall drastically.

ps: and for the cash shop defender, i want to ask them do you really think that the cash shop will not deserve more that it will help FF14 on the long terms? that another good question that needed to be asked.

[Riepah]

Why do you think you can't start the game as a DoH or a DoL class and must instead wait until you're level 10 in a DoW/DoM class to unlock DoH/DoL? If those were meant to be the main purpose of the game, you would be allowed to start as those classes right from character creation... but you can't. Not only that, but a large number of ingredients for crafting classes are enemy or dungeon drops.

It's hardly "my own personal definition" when the game itself forces you to engage in at least a minimal amount of combat even for those classes.

I suppose combat is not the main part of the game then, because without crafters, you can't even get your oh-so-iconic relic weapon. And according to your definition, every combat class is a "main" thing in this game, but Rogue/Ninja isn't, because you can't pick it at level 1. Yes, it is your own personal definition, and your attempts to justify it are pretty poor.

[LunaHoshino]

I suppose combat is not the main part of the game then, because without crafters, you can't even get your oh-so-iconic relic weapon.

Relic weapons aren't a requirement. You could outfit yourself entirely with weapons from Coil/Primal drops if you want without ever touching a relic weapon. I know several people who have done just that.

And according to your definition, every combat class is a "main" thing in this game, but Rogue/Ninja isn't, because you can't pick it at level 1.

Which will almost certainly be changed in either an upcoming patch or Heavensward once they work out things like crossclass skills. Rogue/Ninja is the odd duck right now in numerous ways due to it being a brand new class, and I suspect there is a considerable amount of coding that will need to be modified in order to make it a starting class like the others.

[silentwindfr]

@LunaHoshino: without be insulting, aren't you a bit selfish? i means you want to force your own view of the game into the other...
each player is free to do whatever they want in the game and you have no right to define what it's.... them pleasure.

i know people spending time to complete the achievement, other that prefere spend time control the market, and other spend time and gils into them housing, and other people prefering working on them skin....

you have tons of way to enjoy the game... your are not the only one! respect the other pleasure as they respect your.

thanks.

[Ilitsa]

Slepnir mount was on databases before the cash shop was even told to be added, back in the time when yoshida said it wasn`t going to be one. Slepnir mount was probably a possible Odin`s Mantle reward but then was probably reconsidered as Trial Mount reward and then, crap, Cash Shop becomes something, quickly grab something to put in there! and there you go. And something similar must have happend to minions and probably will happen from now on, as you will see, the cash shop filling with items that are in no way special and have no reason at all to be in the game in the first place.

A regular, even for all wedding would be perfect. Far better than having 2 divided experiences by wallet in a P2P game.

I see the problem with your argument. Nothing but conjecture.

[Thistledown]

Aren't you the same guy who was defending WoW's level booster as healthy? So skipping 90 levels of content by money isn't p2w by your definition but marriage system is?

[Xhominid]

@LunaHoshino: without be insulting, aren't you a bit selfish?

Funny because I can say the same thing to most of you...
I'm not saying this because I'm pro Cash Shop(I'm not) or acting as if I'm tossing money at Squenix(I'm not) or any other nonsense like that...but throughout the past few weeks(From the Wedding Debacle to the Cash Shop), I have noticed the "With Us or Against Us" philosophy being used with extreme prejudice while trying to hide under saying you want your voices to be heard.

Anyone who DARES say they have no issue with the Cash Shop or even plan on spending money, you have people outright demonize them for it. When you had people ask for ways to get past costumes they couldn't obtain, you had people go nuts on them. Hell, I just seen someone basically say they quit the forums because someone DARES wants to buy the Gold Package of the Wedding simply because he chose to.

And here's the core problem: You guys are basically saying "Be with us or **** you!" in no uncertain terms. Anyone with a brain can see how absolutely ridiculous this is and it's just as obvious as how many times people keep on saying "If this happens, this will SURELY happen, I SWEAR it will" without no real proof that it is past...it is. "But we guessed a Cash Shop was gonna happen." And a Cash Shop has been in virtually every P2P MMO(Korean Blade & Soul has one, World of Warcraft has one, Aion both versions have one, and I believe Korean TERA has one too), so yeah, to not see a Cash Shop coming at all is just silly.

"But we poked around in the files and saw the Slepnir Mount" Here's some news for you guys: Some things that are in the code...are probably just things in the code that got left in the cutting room floor, it doesn't mean it WAS or IS anything. Final Fantasy XIII had 2 bosses(Prototype Anima and Ereshkigal) in the game, along with Anima's boss location which instead got recycled in FFXIII-2 and LR:XIII, never got re-implemented back into their games. So what does that say about Slepnir? That they most likely had the mount data around, but had no idea of what to do with it. It doesn't mean anything because as Alexander points out, it's all MAYBE, there is no TRUTH, just POSSIBILITIES.

At this point, I wonder when you guys will finally realize that the reason you guys come off as ridiculous...is because you are. Tone yourself down and maybe people can actually listen, but at this rate...thank god you guys aren't the majority...

[Ilitsa]

awesome.

/slowclap

Bravo. Seriously. Thank you for that post

[Mook_Mook]

Yeah how dare those f2p mmo have a cash shop I mean jeez... Wow is the only one who does and it's pretty plain to see ffxiv is following the same suit.
Popular franchise with rabid fans check
Fan service everything check
Tons of profit check
Of course this wedding is a whole new thing I haven't seen in mmo but good for se. I'm sure they will be making money hand over fist with it at the end day.
Edit
Eve has a cash shop but you can also buy play time with gold so it's pick your poison