Isn`t just vanity. Is 2 diferent experiences and thats why is bad.

[Mook_Mook]

To everyone ill be back in a bit this is my source of entertainment for the day but other tasks require my attention

[Andevom]

I would like to add clarity to this. You pay your ISp for access to the Internet. With that your expectation to that are you get internet now what if sites whole are blocked behind pay your ISp more to access it. Would you be ok with that

This implies that SE is going to charge people for something they once got for free....which is completely not the case.

[Phe]

I think you guys need to get out of your moms basement

And you are... how old exactly?

Just curious.

[Xhominid]

Lol explode I've been pretty calm. You've been the one name spcalling saying I'm dillusional but I do believe you asked for people not to name call but I'm sure that's only when it's in your favor. And way to ignore the rest of it. I approve of your tactics pretty clever

Delusional isn't name calling bro, it's a state of mind, which you guys are being a good job of putting on yourselves. Name calling would be more in the lines of moron, ninny.

[Roris]

This implies that SE is going to charge people for something they once got for free....which is completely not the case.

Ghost costumes and Pumpkin Heads in the cash shop. Regardless if the people who did the events can still buy them with gil from the Calamity Salvager, it is indeed something that was once made available for free in game and now is only available through the cash shop, and the same thing will very likely happen to all previous seasonal rewards that were also purchasable for gil. So yes, they're already charging for things that were once free.

[Jacost]

Some people just enter the game to hang out with their friends. That's their "winning". To them, by your logic, the sub is already P2W. How is that fair? They should allow people to play the game for free! Oh wait...

[Kuwagami]

Have you even read the one I quoted ?

let's see :

Think of it as reflecting reality.

Some people don't care at all about the flair and get married extremely cheap.

Others invest thousands upon thousands of dollars for all the extravagance. Hell, some spend thousands on the cake alone.

So yeah, you can't have the fancy, expensive wedding if you can't pay for it, but you can still get married. Just like you can't have the Fat Chocobo if you don't buy the collector's edition. I don't recall seeing a hundred threads whining about that (I'm sure someone, somewhere did, but not at this level), and it's essentially the same thing.

Reflecting reality ? You can use a money that doesn't exist in the real world to have a better wedding that you can't get with real world money Oo?

Oh right. Real life marriage.

Let's see. Real life marriage has a small amount of "usual" expenses (rings at least. You have the possibility to marry without any, but you're most likely to get them anyway, because tradition. Then maybe honey moon if you can afford it, maybe a better than usual meal like expensive restaurant or some stuff to celebrate). There might even be some administrative fees that I don't know off to formalize it. And then you have the extravaganza that can be added, with super high prices because wedding = money cow.


Now let's transpose to in game EB :
unavoidable expenses => monthly sub, regular marriage
extravaganza => gold marriage with cash shop

not so hard, was it ?


(just in case you didn't notice, your regular EB is paid by your monthly sub. Sure it is just like every other content in game right now or to come soon, yet you are already paying real money for it, regardless of if you use the feature or not. The gold edition is just charging you extra fees for extra fluff. But maybe you never thought about all that this way )

Ghost costumes and Pumpkin Heads in the cash shop. Regardless if the people who did the events can still buy them with gil from the Calamity Salvager, it is indeed something that was once made available for free in game and now is only available through the cash shop, and the same thing will very likely happen to all previous seasonal rewards that were also purchasable for gil. So yes, they're already charging for things that were once free.

except the ones who are likely to buy it are those who can't buy the seasonal gear for gils because they weren't here during said events. So they never had access to this gear. So no.

Technically you're right though, but in practice this is not what's happening. They're charging for things that buyers can't get at all out of CS. Of course it will be a totally different matter if they release these items again in future events, as some customers could then feel cheated for buying an item they can then get for free (and only for a handful of gils, mind you)

Except there were NPCs that sold the items from past iterations of those events, meaning you could buy the Pumpkin Heads, you could buy the swimsuits and yukatas, you could buy the egg caps etc. all with gil even if you missed out on previous events a year or two before. Alts can't get them anymore either since the Calamity Salvager is character specific.

So again, items that were once offered for free, even to people who weren't around then, are now cash shop only.

there were ? I never noticed any out of the calamity salvagers. If there were, disregard my comment about your post

[Roris]

except the ones who are likely to buy it are those who can't buy the seasonal gear for gils because they weren't here during said events. So they never had access to this gear. So no.

Technically you're right though, but in practice this is not what's happening. They're charging for things that buyers can't get at all out of CS. Of course it will be a totally different matter if they release these items again in future events, as some customers could then feel cheated for buying an item they can then get for free (and only for a handful of gils, mind you)

Except there were NPCs that sold the items from past iterations of those events, meaning you could buy the Pumpkin Heads, you could buy the swimsuits and yukatas, you could buy the egg caps etc. all with gil even if you missed out on previous events a year or two before. Alts can't get them anymore either since the Calamity Salvager is character specific.

So again, items that were once offered for free, even to people who weren't around then, are now cash shop only.

[LunaHoshino]

@LunaHoshino: without be insulting, aren't you a bit selfish? i means you want to force your own view of the game into the other...
each player is free to do whatever they want in the game and you have no right to define what it's.... them pleasure.

i know people spending time to complete the achievement, other that prefere spend time control the market, and other spend time and gils into them housing, and other people prefering working on them skin....

you have tons of way to enjoy the game... your are not the only one! respect the other pleasure as they respect your.

thanks.

People are free to "win" the game however they want. That doesn't change the fact that SE has its own definition of what constitutes "winning" in the game, and to them, collecting mounts and minions is not "winning." That is the crux of my argument. They are the creator of the game, their word is law when it comes to how the game works.

[Roris]

People are free to "win" the game however they want. That doesn't change the fact that SE has its own definition of what constitutes "winning" in the game, and to them, collecting mounts and minions is not "winning." That is the crux of my argument. They are the creator of the game, their word is law when it comes to how the game works.

Feel free to link a direct statement by SE where it explicitly mentions the exact terms to winning this game. You've already been told minions and mounts are featured in a player's Lodestone page under the Character tab and in game both their guides are also under the Character menu, meaning they're considered by SE themselves to be just as important for a character as their gear and stats. Their word is law after all and it's right there for everyone to see.

If you somehow still think progressing through the story is the only thing that counts as winning, then a PvE oriented player can't ever truly win the game either because DoH/DoLs also have their own storylines. Even the minions and mounts are provided with tiny bits of lore, therefore a player who doesn't obtain them all can't really win either because they won't ever get the game's entire story and lore. That's as silly as your argument sounds on your own personal definition of winning.