Isn`t just vanity. Is 2 diferent experiences and thats why is bad.

[silentwindfr]

@LunaHoshino: without be insulting, aren't you a bit selfish? i means you want to force your own view of the game into the other...
each player is free to do whatever they want in the game and you have no right to define what it's.... them pleasure.

i know people spending time to complete the achievement, other that prefere spend time control the market, and other spend time and gils into them housing, and other people prefering working on them skin....

you have tons of way to enjoy the game... your are not the only one! respect the other pleasure as they respect your.

thanks.

[Xhominid]

@LunaHoshino: without be insulting, aren't you a bit selfish?

Funny because I can say the same thing to most of you...
I'm not saying this because I'm pro Cash Shop(I'm not) or acting as if I'm tossing money at Squenix(I'm not) or any other nonsense like that...but throughout the past few weeks(From the Wedding Debacle to the Cash Shop), I have noticed the "With Us or Against Us" philosophy being used with extreme prejudice while trying to hide under saying you want your voices to be heard.

Anyone who DARES say they have no issue with the Cash Shop or even plan on spending money, you have people outright demonize them for it. When you had people ask for ways to get past costumes they couldn't obtain, you had people go nuts on them. Hell, I just seen someone basically say they quit the forums because someone DARES wants to buy the Gold Package of the Wedding simply because he chose to.

And here's the core problem: You guys are basically saying "Be with us or **** you!" in no uncertain terms. Anyone with a brain can see how absolutely ridiculous this is and it's just as obvious as how many times people keep on saying "If this happens, this will SURELY happen, I SWEAR it will" without no real proof that it is past...it is. "But we guessed a Cash Shop was gonna happen." And a Cash Shop has been in virtually every P2P MMO(Korean Blade & Soul has one, World of Warcraft has one, Aion both versions have one, and I believe Korean TERA has one too), so yeah, to not see a Cash Shop coming at all is just silly.

"But we poked around in the files and saw the Slepnir Mount" Here's some news for you guys: Some things that are in the code...are probably just things in the code that got left in the cutting room floor, it doesn't mean it WAS or IS anything. Final Fantasy XIII had 2 bosses(Prototype Anima and Ereshkigal) in the game, along with Anima's boss location which instead got recycled in FFXIII-2 and LR:XIII, never got re-implemented back into their games. So what does that say about Slepnir? That they most likely had the mount data around, but had no idea of what to do with it. It doesn't mean anything because as Alexander points out, it's all MAYBE, there is no TRUTH, just POSSIBILITIES.

At this point, I wonder when you guys will finally realize that the reason you guys come off as ridiculous...is because you are. Tone yourself down and maybe people can actually listen, but at this rate...thank god you guys aren't the majority...

[Ilitsa]

awesome.

/slowclap

Bravo. Seriously. Thank you for that post

[Mook_Mook]

Yeah how dare those f2p mmo have a cash shop I mean jeez... Wow is the only one who does and it's pretty plain to see ffxiv is following the same suit.
Popular franchise with rabid fans check
Fan service everything check
Tons of profit check
Of course this wedding is a whole new thing I haven't seen in mmo but good for se. I'm sure they will be making money hand over fist with it at the end day.
Edit
Eve has a cash shop but you can also buy play time with gold so it's pick your poison

[Xhominid]

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The Korean versions of Aion and TERA is still P2P, so is Blade and Soul. So that doesn't work considering that they still have cash shops installed so it's actually only the other territories that they are F2P.

[KodiHivaer]

The Korean versions of Aion and TERA is still P2P, so is Blade and Soul. So that doesn't work considering that they still have cash shops installed so it's actually only the other territories that they are F2P.

Ummmm no, no they aren't.
Korean and Japanese versions Tera went F2P before Europe and America's version went F2P soon after.

Blade and Soul is P2P still with a CS, but because china's version is under a different publisher it's F2P.

Want proof before you say "You're wrong!" ?
My fiancee' writes for mmosite...

[Xhominid]

Ummmm no, no they aren't.
Korean and Japanese versions Tera went F2P before Europe and America's version went F2P soon after.

Blade and Soul is P2P still with a CS, but because china's version is under a different publisher it's F2P.

Want proof before you say "You're wrong!" ?
My fiancee' writes for mmosite...

Last time I remembered, Korea's TERA is F2P only until 60, which then you have to pay to play.

[LunaHoshino]

@LunaHoshino: without be insulting, aren't you a bit selfish? i means you want to force your own view of the game into the other...
each player is free to do whatever they want in the game and you have no right to define what it's.... them pleasure.

i know people spending time to complete the achievement, other that prefere spend time control the market, and other spend time and gils into them housing, and other people prefering working on them skin....

you have tons of way to enjoy the game... your are not the only one! respect the other pleasure as they respect your.

thanks.

People are free to "win" the game however they want. That doesn't change the fact that SE has its own definition of what constitutes "winning" in the game, and to them, collecting mounts and minions is not "winning." That is the crux of my argument. They are the creator of the game, their word is law when it comes to how the game works.

[Roris]

People are free to "win" the game however they want. That doesn't change the fact that SE has its own definition of what constitutes "winning" in the game, and to them, collecting mounts and minions is not "winning." That is the crux of my argument. They are the creator of the game, their word is law when it comes to how the game works.

Feel free to link a direct statement by SE where it explicitly mentions the exact terms to winning this game. You've already been told minions and mounts are featured in a player's Lodestone page under the Character tab and in game both their guides are also under the Character menu, meaning they're considered by SE themselves to be just as important for a character as their gear and stats. Their word is law after all and it's right there for everyone to see.

If you somehow still think progressing through the story is the only thing that counts as winning, then a PvE oriented player can't ever truly win the game either because DoH/DoLs also have their own storylines. Even the minions and mounts are provided with tiny bits of lore, therefore a player who doesn't obtain them all can't really win either because they won't ever get the game's entire story and lore. That's as silly as your argument sounds on your own personal definition of winning.

[LunaHoshino]

Feel free to link a direct statement by SE where it explicitly mentions the exact terms to winning this game.

SE has stated that the cash shop is not and will not be pay to win. The only items in the cash shop are minions, mounts and costumes.

Ergo, owning or collecting those items is not considered "winning" to SE. Simple as that.