Dragoon buffs and Ninja nerfs coming Dec 9th in patch 2.45

[Viridiana]

Yes, by constantly claiming it's weaker.

I also keep saying it's totally serviceable, because this game doesn't feature reliance on CC in most encounters.

Yet another unrealistic situation. This also prevents other classes from using specific abilities or spells that would increase their DPS without releasing the feathers.

That's. . .not an unrealistic situation at all. It's an actual strategy that was used often enough to be recognized around here as a legit strategy. It disables some AOE attacks, but most of the time that's a non-issue in Garuda Hard. Only abilities I can think of that would be routinely affected are Flaming Arrow, Dragonfire Dive, Howling Fist, Circle of Scorn, and Shadow Flare. And while that seems like a lot, remember that it means you can focus the entirety of the group's single target DPS onto Garuda instead of needlessly killing feathers.

Ninja fits in that same category. Add in the fact that there's no encounter where you need to silence more than twice a minute.

Turn 2. If you only needed to silence twice a minute, a PLD, BRD, or NIN could solo-silence. They can't. MNK can, meaning that a single MNK silencer is capable of replacing two other silencing classes. Show me a place where NIN can do that.

Healers and DPS also both deal DPS. But the DPS deal more damage. With that logic anyway.

Have I said otherwise? We're talking about CC capabilities, and I'm pointing out that healers and tanks win by a mile compared to DPS CC. I know that DPS puts out more DPS than the healers do; it's right there in the name.

No, The proper answer would be because a tank is always present while another class with an instant stun ability is not always present

You've clearly never had an Ifrit party immediately disband because there was no PLD, even though there were more than enough stuns present to lock down Eruptions (nevermind that you can just dodge).

And this started as Ninja having "inferior" CC. At least you're admitting Ninja's not suffering from any of this like other melee classes are

I'm admitting that they don't suffer DPS loss when you don't want stuns going out. I'm still saying that their CC abilities are outclassed by the other jobs.

You don't even seem to understand why a Bard's shadowbind works better than a Summoner's, or a black mage's, bind version.

Because it disables auto attack and prevents you from accidentally releasing the mob right after you CC it (or killing the Renauds in T7). Of course, if you break a BRD's bind he has to wait 40 seconds to reapply while a SMN or BLM can try again immediately.

More obsolete CC being brought to the table

Sorry, CC in this game comes in three varieties:

1) Unnoticed because it's irrelevant to the fight.
2) Made necessary by fight mechanics.
3) Used to save a wipe or death.

NIN CC will only ever fall under 1 or maybe 2 if someone decides to let them. BLM Sleep and binds can be used for 3. It's rare, and it means something got screwed up somewhere, but it's still CC. You call it obsolete, but I've seen it used in 2.4, which has been out, what, a month or so? And it was used frequently in 2.2. And, heck, for a while people used it in T5 until SE patched it.

I brought Paladins into the discussion because:

You pointed at it in the first place

You don't remember the start of this conversation, apparently. It's cool, here are the quotes:

We have to choose between the stun or the silence its not like we can do both whenever we want

Able to switch out your poisons between abilities. It's not like Paladin's Oaths where you have to waste a GCD for it.

Sure, you can, but you still only have a silence or a stun on that 30 second CD. It's not like changing your poison resets the CD.

Much like every other DPSs - and even tanks to an extend - CC ability.

Notice how the first two mentions of tanks were from you?

Actually, yes, AoE stun has no importance. Because scholars can speed run casual content as well

Yes, and they do it while using part of their CC: an AOE slow.