Is the Ninja nerf really needed?

[Fynlar]

Playing with the wrong Monks then.

Talking about myself, and I know how MNK works, thanks.

[hallena]

Talking about myself, and I know how MNK works, thanks.

Monk outdps ninja.
However monk should also get a nerf

[Atreides]

Talking about myself, and I know how MNK works, thanks.

Not to break it for you but you're doing it wrong when you're behind Ninjas in single target DPS as Monk.
Sure when we're talking about trash mobs Ninja is stronger indeed but in real fights where it actually matters aka Coils monks should always beat ninjas.
There is a reason why the first final coil clears went double monk.
Monk is outright OP when it comes to ST, now we had a class that is almost able to match it and it gets nerfed instead of just bringing dragoon to the same lvl and have 3 competitive melees.
Oh and Dragon Kick is the best utility you can get in the final coils.

[ServerCollaps]

There is a reason why the first final coil clears went double monk.

they had no time for the ninja grind

[Alukah]

Ninja isn't top dps as it is, the hell are you talking about? If your ninja is parsing higher than your monk, you need a new monk.

Seriously that has been explained several times now, try making an effort and read the thread.

Outside T8 or your local rooted dummy MNK cannot reach their max potential, they can't even get close to it, but NIN can get near their max potential with close to no effort and that is a problem.

This is about regulating the amount of damage an equally skilled NIN, MNK and DRG can do, they will lower Ninja's upper limit just enough so someone with a similar skill as a Monk or a post-buff Dragoon can deal similar damage, only dealing more damage if they can reach their max potential.

The gap between a class main potential and the potential the average player can reach is determined by how hard it is to master the class, how hard it is to keep all your buffs, damage boosts and debuffs up.

Reposting here:

People on forums tend to not do so well in the "reading" department. They see the word "nerf" and assume the worse, completely missing the whole "designed to be top DPS on purpose" part of the post. MMO gamers simply can't grasp at the fact that a job can get a nerf and still stay at the top.

The only thing this patch is going to do is take this



And make it more like this



And look at that, NIN is still on top. Oh lawdy, y'all can take down dem road blocks now and put the torches out. Repent and thou shalt be saved!

Just for fun, if we were to believe all these doom-n-gloom posts about the fall of NIN, we would end up with something like this

[Iveriad]

There is a reason why the first final coil clears went double monk.

Because the group is too busy with their goal of beating Final Coil first that they don't have time to powerlevel Ninja and get iLv100-110 gears for their Ninja in a matter of two weeks?

[Atreides]

Because the group is too busy with their goal of beating Final Coil first that they don't have time to powerlevel Ninja and get iLv100-110 gears for their Ninja in a matter of two weeks?

No because Monk still does the highest ST damage and Dragon kick is almost crucial in t13 unless you overgear it.

[Alexia89]

Talking about myself, and I know how MNK works, thanks.

Apparently not.