Duty Finder queues are too damn long!

[LeCard]

DPS queues are extraordinarily long, to the point that it is difficult to progress or enjoy the game. Pointing fingers at the players, expecting us to go out of our way to level a new class/job we don't enjoy, does nothing to further the discussion of this issue. I'm sorry you have failed to understand other points of view on this topic, OP, but your post is quite childish.

I frequently get queue times of 60-75 minutes, any time I try to get a DPS class I'm leveling into a dungeon. That's not something I consider acceptable, and it makes it very discouraging to even want to play other classes besides my main (healer). Just think about what this must be like for new players, leveling their first character, who need these dungeons for their main story quests. And consider that DPS queues have been a major problem in the MMORPG genre for many years, and SE's method of addressing this issue was to design "Light Parties" which require fewer DPS. Don't act like people aren't justified in expressing frustration about this.

1) yes the op's post is childish.

2) The breakdown of role is aprox. 23% tanks/ 25% healers/ 52% DPS

What this means is that 1 tank +1 healer +2 DPS should = everyone gets a run. However, most of these numbers are from what people main and that means that this breakdown applies to end game and any roulettes they run. The problem with this is that a single new DPS was released that all of those players with multiple 50s want to level this now instead of playing their main and that of course = enhanced DPS wait time.

The number of people that want to play a tank/healer wont go up just because there are more tank/healer classes than DPS it would just mean more variety in tank/healer class. What would help the DPS wait time is releasing any new DPS with a set of tank and healer jobs as well. Thus giving those who want to play a new "fresh" class the chance to do so without throwing the lower level ratio completely out of whack.

[Waeksyn]

SE made a good change when they setup ST to be 1 tank in a full party of 8. They could improve this further by allowing parties of 5 (3 DPS) into lower level dungeons (they'd need to tweak difficulty to balance) Root problem is that the party structure doesn't reflect the demographic. FFXI's 6 person parties had some advantages. Could also just change party structure across the board from 4/8 to 5/10.

[Barboron]

I'm sorry you have failed to understand other points of view on this topic, OP, but your post is quite childish.

1) yes the op's post is childish.

The number of people that want to play a tank/healer wont go up just because there are more tank/healer classes than DPS it would just mean more variety in tank/healer class. What would help the DPS wait time is releasing any new DPS with a set of tank and healer jobs as well. Thus giving those who want to play a new "fresh" class the chance to do so without throwing the lower level ratio completely out of whack.

While others didn't see this point, you did! This is my point, you can't force others to play tanks, they even gave incentives. They even tried a different grouping for ST with 1 tank,2 healers, and 5 DPS per party.

That did work quite well, but you can't apply this same logic to a dungeon without making the parties bigger. It's something they could plan for future dungeons but then at what point will a dungeon become a raid? And then having more mechanics meaning putting it back to 2 tanks and thus, solving no issue.

[jars]

SE made a good change when they setup ST to be 1 tank in a full party of 8. They could improve this further by allowing parties of 5 (3 DPS) into lower level dungeons (they'd need to tweak difficulty to balance) Root problem is that the party structure doesn't reflect the demographic. FFXI's 6 person parties had some advantages. Could also just change party structure across the board from 4/8 to 5/10.

they would have to upscale this. people already have trouble finding 8 man groups

[Fyrebrand]

Actually, SE are doing something about it or have you missed the news from the last two FanFests? Dark Knight will be a tank.

It doesn't matter on the ratio of jobs. The ratio of jobs doesn't reflect the number of players wanting to play those jobs.

The number of people that want to play a tank/healer wont go up just because there are more tank/healer classes than DPS it would just mean more variety in tank/healer class. What would help the DPS wait time is releasing any new DPS with a set of tank and healer jobs as well. Thus giving those who want to play a new "fresh" class the chance to do so without throwing the lower level ratio completely out of whack.

While others didn't see this point, you did! This is my point, you can't force others to play tanks, they even gave incentives. They even tried a different grouping for ST with 1 tank,2 healers, and 5 DPS per party.

[alimdia]

If you don't want to work hard, you get paid less
If you don't want to play tank or healer, you get longer queues.

[Vespar]

If you don't want to work hard, you get paid less
If you don't want to play tank or healer, you get longer queues.

This isnt a god damned job lol.
Its a GAME, and yes. Queue times for DPS are insanely retarded, and they've only gotten worse with Ninja since everyone wants to try the new hotness. (That or tanks and healers are getting bored of being tanks and healers)
and before people tell DPS to shut up and play tank or healer, keep in mind a lot of us have, and are bored with it or its not the job we WANT to play :P No one should be punished just for playing a specific role. No matter how you slice it though, and as much as SE wants this game to be balanced, it isn't in regards to this issue.

I can handle Queues of up to 20minutes but when its 30mins+ (often more) for EVERY run I try to do (Low, High and now even Expert roullettes are 30+ also) there obviously needs to be some adjustments. I feel sorry for new players coming into this mess since it must be very off-putting to have to wait to continue story-line dungeons for 30mins to an hour just because the Queue is so messed up right now.

[MilesSaintboroguh]

Then what do you suggest should be done? Wait times are long because no one wants to play a healer and a tank and there's so few jobs of tanks and healers compared to the more ample number of jobs that DPS can use.

[coldreactive]

I had to wait 15 minutes one day as a tank. I'm not joking either. It was for a one-off dungeon basically. One big reason I hate playing tanks is item levels and being over-geared for a dungeon. DPS tend to steal aggro a lot that way, Ninjas especially now, even after the buff to aggro on flash and circle of scorn, ninjas basically act like BLMs and DRGs did pre-buff.

Also, I hate speed running. I never pull more than one group at a time. I threw out all my tank gear, and I won't ever touch tanking again.

[LeCard]

Then what do you suggest should be done? Wait times are long because no one wants to play a healer and a tank and there's so few jobs of tanks and healers compared to the more ample number of jobs that DPS can use.

They only way anyone could essentially force que times down is if they hired a crew of 30-40 (very conservative estimate) people per server to play as the needed roles and do nothing but dungeons the entire time they were "on the clock". Shy of doing that there is nothing that can be done. Increasing the number of tank/healer jobs will only help the lower levels for a couple weeks at best until all those hardcore zerg players that get the 50 in a couple days of release have had their fun and go back to business as usual.

The only other thing that could be done would for players to stop being horrible to new tanks. It's great that the over geared player running the roulette is there to help slaughter things, but if the tank is new and that player is just looking for some quick tomes too often it leads to the tank quitting, finding a DPS class and never tanking again because they couldn't do anything right and got yelled at for sucking when really they just needed to have the mechanics explained and for the DPS to back off a little and let them get agro.

Edit: the other possible way to solve que times in regards to story would be to give anyone who is considered first time in the dungeon priority over people running it for their second, third, 100th time.