DF withdrawl has become the new "Fatigue" system

[AzakaTonnerre]

What are you doing trying to do hunts while waiting on the queue?

This is the stuff that needs to stop. First it was what are you doing crafting while on the queue? Then came why are you doing fates if you can't change jobs fast enough?

Then there was this gem... (From this thread... http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...68#post2595568)

Well then perhaps you need a warning before entering a cutscene that you are queued for a duty as you are taking the risk, not the 3+ other people.

Now its what are you doing trying to do hunts while in the queue? Do you people who ask these questions even take the time to think? Given all these "why are you doing "X" while in queue" threads, its almost like you expect people to queue and sit there and do absolutely nothing but stare at the screen and wait for the DF to pop. If that's the case what's the point in queuing for an hour anyway.

I am a supporter of the penalty for withdrawals. Have been since the start. Do I think it needs some changes? Most definitely. Do I know what those changes should be? Not really.

But despite what I may think, one thing I know is this... these "why are you doing anything but breathing while queued" questions do nothing to help the flawed situation that is the current system. Additionally, the constant blaming people for actually trying to do something in the game while queued for an hour need to stop (blame should be directed at, and only at, the DF trolls and people who go AFK for extended periods while queued who created the need for this in the first place).

[Tonkra]

Well but i am with barboron.

When you are in a cutscene and the DF window comes up, you should be able to accept at least the DF invitation.

if you accepted that invitation you should be able to start the last cutscene over again from the beginning, when its being interrupted by changing the zone into the specific content.


Because some cutscenes you dont want to cancel actually.

and it should work easily like that.

[whoopeeragon]

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I agree with this. The more appropriate question should be '"Why are you trying to rush a hunt when your Duty Ready pops, and you know you aren't going to finish before your Duty Ready expires?"

You have 45 seconds to finish off what you are doing. It's not 45 seconds for you to pick something up and attempt to finish, because it just won't work.

45 seconds is enough for you to
- Press a gear set button to change jobs
- Run away from agro in open world (excluding beast tribe areas) and press a gear set button to change jobs
- De-level sync from your FATE/de-agro from your FATE and press a gear set button to change jobs
- Finish off your current gathering node (six hits max), put away your MH, and press a gear set button to change jobs
- Reel in your fish or empty line, get up from your chair and press a gear set button to change jobs.
- Finish your current synth (Don't whine to me about High-level recipes. If you just started, you know to use Reclaim; if you don't have CP for Reclaim, you have time to finish off your synth), and press a gear set button to change jobs.
- Abandon your Leve, take a moment to dance in despair and press a gear set button to change jobs
- Exit a maximum of 5 windows on your retainer, blow them a kiss goodbye and press a gear set button to change jobs.
- Finish tending/fertilising your current plant, do a couple more, and press a gear set button to change jobs.
- Finish watching a chocobo feeding CS, exit the menu and press a gear set button to change jobs.
- Alt-tab back into the game, de-afk and press a gear set button to change jobs.
- Repair your items via NPC, exit the menu and press a gear set button to change jobs.

What 45 seconds is not long enough for
- Cutscenes which are not skippable
- Long loading screens due to hardware/S rank in the zone.
- Errors due to DDoS attacks and server/net problems

[Fated]

You're given 3 strikes. If your "babylifebffjill" causes you to miss the confirmation that many times, then tough luck. Ever since they added this new system in, in progress fishers are completely gone and withdrawals in general are extremely low.

[TheGrimace]

I love the new system. yaaay

[Zumi]

You're given 3 strikes. If your "babylifebffjill" causes you to miss the confirmation that many times, then tough luck. Ever since they added this new system in, in progress fishers are completely gone and withdrawals in general are extremely low.

You got to think why did in progress fishing happen? Well it because the game told you before you entered weather a dungeon is in progress or not. If they would of stopped telling people a dungeon was in progress then nobody could in progress fish anymore and you wouldn't have to penalize the whole playerbase because they missed a queue for 1 reason or another.

[TheMax1087]

You got to think why did in progress fishing happen? Well it because the game told you before you entered weather a dungeon is in progress or not. If they would of stopped telling people a dungeon was in progress then nobody could in progress fish anymore and you wouldn't have to penalize the whole playerbase because they missed a queue for 1 reason or another.

No one gets penalized for missing A queue, they get penalized for missing THREE queues. That said, in progress fishers weren't the only reason the penalty was added(trolls, while not as widespread as progress fishers, were also a problem), so just doing what you suggested wouldn't have fixed the problem to the extent that what they actually did has.

[Amelia_Pond_Behemoth]

The incident that disturbed me was when I queued as PLD, saw a hunt near by, switched to BRD to participate and shortly after engaging the duty finder window popped. But I couldn't click in because I was the wrong class and it wouldn't let me change back. I kept moving farther and farther from the battle but it simply would not let me change back to PLD. Finally with two seconds to spare, it let me change back and I clicked in. But the whole experience was beyond agitating.

You queued as a tank and expected to have time to do anything during the wait?

[Ryndael]

You got to think why did in progress fishing happen? Well it because the game told you before you entered weather a dungeon is in progress or not. If they would of stopped telling people a dungeon was in progress then nobody could in progress fish anymore and you wouldn't have to penalize the whole playerbase because they missed a queue for 1 reason or another.

EXACTLY.

Gating was sorely needed, but what we currently have is the worst implementation I've ever seen in a game.

[Ronyx]

My main is tank followed by healer and I know how spoiled tanks/healers get. They withdrawn in the past as they pleased just cuz they have instant or almost instant queues so they could stall as much as they want to preventing other players for getting into instances for the lack of a tank or healer. BUT I also got DPS and when you get in their shoes, and you are waiting hrs to queue for X instance it gets annoying each time someone withdraw and you have to wait many more minutes to get in.

So this must stay, its best for everyone. So just dont queue if you dont have the time and you wont get penalize.