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    Deliciou5's Avatar
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    Mortis Deus
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    Malboro
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    Conjurer Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Bishop81 View Post
    Actually that's the odd thing, nowhere in lore does it say anything about "Biowarfare".

    It's a magic using class that relies on tactics and calculation. "Setting things up for the desired results."

    I can understand the use of status effects but Bio and Miasma are normally used by "toxic" monsters.
    That is pretty much one of the reasons why arcanist doesn't feel right for summoner and why the class/job system is fundamentally broken. It's like how conjurer has aero/stone/water and why conjurer feels more akin to geomancer than to whm. Arcanists abilities feel more like cross class abilities than summoner's abilities. They are already starting to feel the strain of the system when they make classless jobs like dark knight just so they can make it the way they wanted.

    That is why it's even more of a shame that they probably won't change the nature of summoner's relationship with arcanists so easily without adding brand new abilities to summoner without making arcanists abilities completely redundant. Tri-disaster is an example of failed ability to make summoner and arcanist sync together. It could easily just be a arcanist ability by itself and they would have called it ruin 3 and it would have nothing to do with summoning at all.

    So when summoners get new abilities at level 60 that actually have to do with summoning capability they will either just add new summon(s) in that are not used over garuda due to contagion thus falling behind other classes due to wasted ability slot(s),or the new pets will be incredibly badass and they will form new strategies that have nothing to do with DOT's or at the very least very little to do with DOT's and they will be backseat to new forms of damage or utility. Like shiva making burst damage abilities more potent so ruin/tridisaster become the primary damage like blm's nukes thus competeing with blm for same slot and/or ramuh could easily add powerful utility like enthunder that stuns enemies special attacks and does extra damage per hit for whole party that outweigh anything any other pet would do because the combined utility and damage between all party members would outweigh one jobs damage capability therefore it would be useful to have buff up for whole party.

    The best solution would be to switch between multiple pets between garuda and ramuh, if shiva is not more powerful than both. So in the end if garuda is still best with contagion then other pets still are useless and summoner becomes gimped, or new abilities become even more disappointing and SE AND players ends up hating the class/job system even more due to the fact its even more abilities that feel useless at max level.

    Most people say we are disillusion to ask for sweeping changes or overhauls to the job when in fact just 10 levels of new abilities for summoner would more than make our case no matter what way it went. It is extremely ironic that they insist that we don't know what we are talking about or that we won't eventually get our way.

    It's funny that garuda and carby both have abilities that exactly mirror each other...Shining emerald and contagion. Do you think all the new pets are going to receive ANOTHER copy of this same exact ability when ifrit and titan don't even have it? Titan is good for soloing, and who really uses ifrit during end game and is not gimped? Will shiva/ramuh/levi egi's be any different?

    It's why they only want to talk about QoL changes when they KNOW other jobs won't just receive QoL changes. It's like they are trying to ignore the elephant in the room. Who is delusional here?People who expect the job to remain DOT focused without the new abilities becoming near useless like ifrit/titan/tri disaster for endgame OR DOT abilities to become significantly less important due to new pets or abilities outshining older ones like garuda's contagion? Gaurda becoming less important would make the DOT rotation that much harder to keep up and be viable. DOT's will not be obsolete but summoner will have more than one way of maximizing damage than just outside of DOT and you would have to choose which way you would want to go in order to maximize damage potential.

    DOT's would be become secondary casts instead of primary focus so summoners would cast spells that are either DD or Buffs and good summoners would be able sneak in DOT's that are essential rather than all of them.Kinda like how good whm's can sneak in Aero I and II in without sacrificing cure's.

    So in recap you either:
    1.Keep DOT's a focus and make new pets useless you have abilities like contagion/shining emerald a standard for every pet.(which honestly seems unlikely due to developers not adding them to titan or ifrit)
    OR
    2.You have more pets like ifrit or titan but give them new abilities that outshine contagion and make DOT's take a backseat to more Buff's or DD abilities.

    No matter what level cap increase means changes on the scale of close to an overhaul. The job either remains exactly the same due to a bunch of useless abilities EVERY summoner will hate and feel screwed by, OR brand new abilities that will change main focus of job.
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    Last edited by Deliciou5; 11-20-2014 at 05:27 AM.