[Pole] Do you want to see the summoner class reworked?

[dday3six]

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Contagion saves MP, due to having to reapply DOTS less often. Garuda is strictly better in only that sense. Ifrit actually has higher DPS. If the MP issue were resolved by some means you'd see more Summoners using Ifrit. This also translates to other new Egi in the future as well.

From 31 to 50 classes gets 5 skills, all at the same level. This is done so when Devs design content they can put an entry/sync level to know what skills each Class/Job will have, and design accordingly. If new skills are Class skills, SCH will have them too, so they would need to fit for them as well. Likely we'll see upgraped spells, Ruin III for example, so most classes will play very closely to how they do now in that case. Job skills are the only ones going to SNM only. Each class gets 5 Job skills. 1 every 5 levels. Safe assumption is SE will continue syncing the levels Jobs get skills, cause it's easier to balance content.

Going from the current system from 31-50 is 10 skills in 20 levels. Just how many do you think SE is going to add in 10 levels. If SE continues the current system which I think they will it looks like 5. 3 for the class, and 2 for the Job. That is hardly enough for an overhaul scale change.

[Deliciou5]

>=D

What skills you think are going to be added to blm?Drg?Mnk?NIN? Then compare them in your mind with what skills you think that should be added to summoner.

Maybe i am wrong and they will only each get a little stronger and across the board QoL will be abound for every job and no job will change that much.

In the end though unless they solve the mp issue i don't see summoner keeping up when other jobs like BLM get better nukes and utility especially considering thaum. and blm are both catered to the same type of role. Where SMN and SCH both share arcanist.

[Exstal]

zzz.

I think you're too pessimistic about the future of SMN. As long as SE sticks to their guns and doesn't cave to radical Summoner reformists, it'll get better.

I don't think the new class/job skills will vastly change how current classes are played because that would go against Naoki's idea not to make the game too difficult for new players.

[Deliciou5]

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Um....okay? I was strictly speaking of 50-60 summoner in my last post.

Also...why would a change to summoner make it more difficult for new players if the job was rebuilt for the ground up? You assume that SE wouldn't do a good job making it?

Also...radicals?What is this turning into a police state now ....where you consider everyone else with a different opinion terrorists that must be eliminated? I guess once again....you are giving SE too little credit. Even if they did use some of our ideas they would use it in combination with their own and find a middle ground everyone would probably enjoy.

[Dyvid]

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I have a honest question, what level is your SMN?

[Deliciou5]

I have a honest question, what level is your SMN?

Oooh so your trying to take the..."if you don't want to play summoner in it's current state your not allowed to talk about it" route. Clever girl.

In all honestly i never had a interest in playing summoner... it is only level 15 and the only reason i will level it all is because i want to get gear out of my armory. I may not know everything about the job and sometimes i do stick my foot in my mouth but overall i willing to learn and i played with a decent number of summoners.

I have much to learn however, i do know enough about the job to know it has nothing to do with summoning overall.Even if they did include non pet spells that simply summon the primals or whatever and doing a single attack before disappearing would be better than a DOT based job. Current state of summoner reminds me more of a necromancer than summoner.

I have played plenty of mmo's with various pet jobs, and honestly....even without playing it i can see from partying with others it is just a huge disappointment. I usually main healer classes....and i even i think it's boring. Now go ahead and attack my credibility because i do not know as much as you therefore what i want out of the job is wrong according to your opinion.

[dday3six]

Oooh so your trying to take the..."if you don't want to play summoner in it's current state your not allowed to talk about it" route. Clever girl.

As much as you don't want to believe it, playing the Job at 50 provides scope and insight that you can't get from reading about it. It doesn't invalidate your opinion at all, but it can drastically change your understanding of the Job.

[Exstal]

Also...why would a change to summoner make it more difficult for new players if the job was rebuilt for the ground up? You assume that SE wouldn't do a good job making it?

It's more like, "let's force all the current Summoners to relearn their class from the ground up".

[Bishop81]

It's more like, "let's force all the current Summoners to relearn their class from the ground up".

They had SMN players do that when FFXIV's SMN is nothing like FFXI's SMN.

>.>

Just saying.

[Exstal]

They had SMN players do that when FFXIV's SMN is nothing like FFXI's SMN.

>.>

Just saying.

Except FFXI is irrelevant here.

Your argument *might* have weight if it was FFXIV 1.0 to FFXIV 2.0 that there was a massive overhaul in the class. Changing people who are playing SMN right now, into something vastly different would be asinine. However, I can't completely count it out because wildcards do exist.