So Second Coil has been destroyed

[LalaRu]

My POV on opinions expressed on this thread about the nerfs, are:

1) Complaining players are mostly the ones that were make a living with selling runs to who now they call the "filthy casuals", and their toy is now broken or less productive;

2) Complaining about the battle is not as it were before is nonsense, because it can be repeated by the Savage version (dunno if they ignoring that on purpose, or because they hadn't unlocked that and don't know it exists);

3) Complaining about that content now more accessible to casuals is nonsense, because it is old content and the raiding player of today, is supposed to be on FCoB;

4) Complaining about the fight is more easy and/or presence of Echo is nonsense, because when game progresses, the player or armor iLvl increase and even without nerfs, do again the content with an i500 armor or a level 60 job, will be easy anyway;

The only thing I found really productive on this thread, is that helped me a lot on updating my ignore list.

[Taika]

1) Complaining players are mostly the ones that were make a living with selling runs to who now they call the "filthy casuals", and their toy is now broken or less productive

This is simply not true. The OP may sell runs, and I've noticed a couple of posts where the poster claims they do as well, but I've also seen many posts from players who haven't beaten second coil turns yet and are annoyed the challenge has now been removed (you only need to read the last few pages to notice these), and then there are people like me who have beaten it but feel the change is unfair for those who haven't yet (as a leader of a FC that has 2 Coil groups in T8 and T9 currently). So stop making this stuff up about posters in the thread to try to belittle their opinion.

[LalaRu]

This is simply not true. The OP may sell runs...

I wasn't against specific the OP, but to a generic group of players. OP's business is legit. I don't like it but legit.

...I've also seen many posts from players who haven't beaten second coil turns yet and are annoyed the challenge has now been removed (you only need to read the last few pages to notice these)

I had read all 36 pages before post. Your comment was handled by my points 2) and 4). But will repeat here: they can unlock Savage and get the fun they wants, there.

...So stop making this stuff up about posters in the thread to try to belittle their opinion.

Sorry, will not stop making my opinion on the matter, as long as I've same right as you to make my own here.
"Making up stuff" is a different thing, it is create false facts or distorce existing ones, to make up a point. I made no points, I made my opinion. You don't like it, ok, but don't ask me to shut up because so.

[Taika]

Sorry, will not stop making my opinion on the matter, as long as I've same right as you to make my own here.
"Making up stuff" is a different thing, it is create false facts or distorce existing ones, to make up a point. I made no points, I made my opinion.

You made a claim that most of the complainers are run-sellers. You made that up and it's clearly not true when you read through this thread. That is what I refered to when I said you shouldn't try to make stuff up about the posters to belittle their opinions.

[LalaRu]

You made a claim that most of the complainers are run-sellers. You made that up and it's clearly not true...

I say my point of view, that is, an opinion. Yes, I believe most of them are, and "clearly not true" it is just your opinion. Those of ours, differs, do you agree?

But, it seems I touched an hot spot with the argument