Consolidated thread of DoH suggestions - post 2.4

[RiceisNice]

I don't want them to do way with HQing, but I'd like to see this expanded upon. I'm glad that recent progress in the crafting system has made HQ base materials much more valuable now that 100% HQ from NQ mats isn't really possible.

The thing is, this is possible because you've maxed out your stats at that point from tools, melds and getting everyything to 50. You should be able to easily get HQ with little to no HQ mats. However, a lot of the 4* crafting recipes (specifically the artisan/forager series) have it that even if you use HQ when possible, you're up to RNG to make have a higher than 70% HQ chance at the end, even with optimum melds and equips.

[Sibyll]

The thing is, this is possible because you've maxed out your stats at that point from tools, melds and getting everyything to 50. You should be able to easily get HQ with little to no HQ mats. However, a lot of the 4* crafting recipes (specifically the artisan/forager series) have it that even if you use HQ when possible, you're up to RNG to make have a higher than 70% HQ chance at the end, even with optimum melds and equips.

I should've clarified. I was referring to 2.0 when you could HQ the 80 durability 2* recipes with NQ mats. The joke was that the 2* 40 durability mats (Darksteel Ingots) were far more difficult to HQ consistently, even with HQ mats because of 9 cokes involved. However, this didn't matter because the additional durability and the ridiculousness of Hasty Touch spam + Byregot's made the 80 durability 2*s are real joke to HQ.

[RiceisNice]

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Isn't that pretty much falling into the whole RNG business; trying to HQ a 80 durability item without any NQ materials via HT + BB, even with SHII. I'm assuming that 2.0, the best you could get was the crafted set in HQ + militia offhand. You're practically in relevant gear for 2* crafting at that point. You're also looking at star alignment if you're getting 7+ successful HTs in a single craft. Not to mention the gear set up at the time, they'd still have access to the crafted set and milltia offhand, no? I'm missing a bit of context on whether or not they were geared at that point when you gave that example.

[Sibyll]

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Accessories overmelded and base melds for other gear (i55), which I would say is the reasonable entry level requirement for end-game crafting at the time. It was pretty easy to HQ 2* crafts because of Hasty Touch and BB, even with less than 7 Inner Quiet stacks. The game relies heavily on the player maxing all the other crafting classes to be at all relevant, and in that regard I think it's significantly worse than any other MMO crafting system. If they are going to treat crafting like secondary content then just do the WoW crafting style where you only need to level the two crafts you want. They are throwing so much pointless grinding in front of the players that they are driving away the player base that plays for the crafting.

Mastercraft Demimateria, Master Books, Sealants, Desynthesis. These grinds are atrocious compared to any coil raid.

[RiceisNice]

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Having a full accessory being overmelded, on top of gear being melded, is border-line geared for the current end game crafting imo, the key is that you mentioned melding. With the stat requirements of 2*, you're only shy 4 craftsmanship (or one II meld) of meeting the stat requirements. Going well and beyond that (especially overmelding) would be stepping into overgearing for that level. But I think maxing each craft is the key though that they were going for though, in the similair sense that they wanted us to have a class at level 15 for job advancement. We're just talking semantics now though, so eh.

Still agree that they handled 4* crafting pretty atrociously, though. 3 weeks after patch day and I have only ever made one forager gear (and i'm not even the one using it...)

[Sibyll]

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I know what you mean by semantics, but I think it's key to distinguish between the time needed to level 3 classes to 50 (1 to 50 and 2 to 34 to be really technical) and 8 classes to 50. Honestly I'd really love to see a Job type system for the crafting progression. I mean the crafting system feels like what the battle system would feel like if Job didn't exist, everyone taking the same cross class skills.

Placing restrictions on what people can take forces decision making, theory crafting and depth. Even if they cut down the number of cross class skills from 10 to 5 (or something) it'd keep the essence of crafting the same while adding some amount of challenge and strategy because there would be different approaches to synths.

Another good start would be to remove some of the redundant skills. For example, CSII complete replaces CSI (and Basic Synthesis); Ingenuity II kind of makes Ingenuity useless. Many of the class skills are pointless. Standard and Advanced Touch only get used when I'm HQing stuff I out gear and don't feel like doing really rotations. They basically have a lot of interesting class skills that get out classed until they produce recipes or restrictions to make them desirable. They kind of did this with Piece by Piece when the Progression bar and recipes levels got high enough that it became required. Rapid Synthesis seems like it's going through a similar phase with the new recipes.

I'm still on Supra myself. I have my NQ Artisan off hand, but I didn't level GSM for desynthesis and MCDs are about 1.2 million on my server. The grind is real.

[RiceisNice]

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With leves and ixali tribes, leveling a craft is second thought to me at this point.

I don't have a supra, though you can meet the stat requirements for 4* provided you use a food and FC buff (which I have the benefit off being the grand mistress of it). Even then, I have GSM at 93 and I still botch desynthesis at 83%, if not only get a rose gold out the thing. In the end I'd wish they'd step out out of the RNG requirements for end game crafting (in the end you even mentioned rapid synthesis which is just as bad as relying on HT spamming). Another thing to note that ingeunity is pretty worthles for 3* and 4* crafting now, that the CP cost doesn't justify the minuscule boost because the level different is just so high.