Thread: Consolidated thread of DoH suggestions - post 2.4

How about we create a single thread for suggestions and get it sticky-ed so we can keep the discussions focused and in one place for us and the devs? If there is support for this I can do the homework and get us started.

More of a change to the lodestone than the game but would be useful in game.

Let us sort by actual recipe level. The X-X+5 is great for 1-50 but once you hit 50 everything is either 50 or master. It would be great if there was a 1 star/2 star category and a category for each master book. I haven't got the master II books yet and some of my crafts already require scrolling in the master category.

Related to this thread: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...quit-this-game

I understand from a system perspective it would be incredibly expensive to save the crafting state after every single turn. But SE could tap into the allowance system and give us a daily number of "this craft is important and I need to recover after a disconnect".

At the start of the combine we could spend an allowance and the server would save the state after each event. If you disconnect it will allow you to reconnect back into the combine. Saving after every event would prevent people from abusing the system to bail on a combine that is failing. Allowances let people decide which combines they really, really want to not fail due to a non-crafting issue and would limit the system resource use.

Originally Posted by Sibyll

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The classes already differ out from what they can make. If you take cross classing out of the equation, they'd need to redo end game crafting as a whole to accommodate that. Othewise, certain recipes will be impossible to reach; I just shudder at trying to do a 3* furnisher craft as a CRP without ingeunity or PbP, on top of the only durability skill I'd have is MMII.

Originally Posted by RiceisNice

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They could have new recipes be like Ixali quest lines where those specific recipes don't allow cross class skills. That way they could implement diversity without having to redo older meaningless content.

Furthermore, the recipes you make offers little difference in how the class is played. Explain to me how making a Darksteel Ingot on a Blacksmith differs from making Growth Formula Delta Concentrate on an Alchemist. It doesn't. A Blacksmith with 50s in all crafting classes can play any other crafting class equally well with no prior experience.

To elaborate my point, take Monk and Dragoon. Both are melee DPS, but I can assure you that a person that's has played only Monk can't go to Dragoon and play it equally well because there are those little differences that show the difference between an experience Dragoon and someone that just started playing it and read a rotation online.

I'd like to see more crafting progression that tests your skill as a good Blacksmith or Carpenter rather than treating all crafting classes as generic crafting classes.

Originally Posted by Sibyll

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Because the ixali quest recipes are designed with that restriction in mind.

You're trying to see crafting classes to have a different playstyle from each other, just as the combat classes do. But now here's the thing, you're comparing combat to crafting; both completely different beasts.

You're correct in that crafting an individual item is no different than another because you have access to all the skills, but the requirement and stats of star crafting are tuned with this in mind. Without adjusting the durability, difficulty and quaility of wolfram, try and 100% HQ it with only BSM skills. Now do the same for alchemy and with only alchemy skills. If we want to step away from cross skilling on crafting classes, they'd need to redo nearly all star recipes and furnishing to accommodate.

http://link.ffxivcrafter.com/?id=cbb74 is an example of what I'm talking about. As a CRP, you only have access to base skills, rumination and bygrot's blessing. It's impossible for you to even finish this without cross skills.

And again, crafting is a turn-based thing. We can argue semantics, but this is mostly planning your steps based on numbers, not skill-oriented on your performance. What you're suggesting would require a complete overhaul of the system, when for the most part it works and it differentiates itself from the typical "click-n-wait" process that other MMOs use.

I really cant see how you can make crafting classes standout from each other aside from what they can make, because even if we try your suggestion and future recipes would lock out cross class skills, so many of them are so situation that it's really ineffective on its own. Alchemist would be heavily reliant on RNG, CRP can't prolong it's craft to make use out of rumination, etc etc. On top of that they all share the same base skills that the standard-to-go crafting process would be the same anyway... only that CUL will laugh at everyone else with SHII and hasty touch.